HADECS 3 cameras on the M25

HADECS 3 cameras on the M25

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mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Monday 5th May 2014
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They're my pictures. Near J13 M1, southbound. Hard shoulder congestion running as 4th lane.

Landshark

2,117 posts

180 months

Monday 5th May 2014
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Here you go, M25 between 6 and 5, all lane running, no hard shoulder.

TPS

1,860 posts

212 months

Monday 5th May 2014
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Landshark said:



Here you go, M25 between 6 and 5, all lane running, no hard shoulder.
And look at all the cars in lane 2,3,4 but not using lane 1.

Landshark

2,117 posts

180 months

Monday 5th May 2014
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TPS said:
Landshark said:



Here you go, M25 between 6 and 5, all lane running, no hard shoulder.
And look at all the cars in lane 2,3,4 but not using lane 1.
Money well spent wink

Andyuk911

Original Poster:

1,979 posts

208 months

Monday 5th May 2014
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Landshark,

I know you are obviously not responsible for the cameras, but have YOU been advised not to exceed ACPO guide lines on this stretch if NOT on a job?

If YOU exceed the limit and a camera takes YOUR picture, what happens?

Ta

TimLambert7

642 posts

124 months

Monday 5th May 2014
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I saw these operational on the M25 travelling to/from brussels this weekend.

They were flashing so much I couldn't believe it. I was stuck in traffic on opposite carriageway and must of seen 50 people get caught in approx. 10 minutes.


Landshark

2,117 posts

180 months

Monday 5th May 2014
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Andyuk911 said:
Landshark,

I know you are obviously not responsible for the cameras, but have YOU been advised not to exceed ACPO guide lines on this stretch if NOT on a job?

If YOU exceed the limit and a camera takes YOUR picture, what happens?

Ta
Paperwork!!! biggrin

We have exemptions, but we have to justify it.

SVTRick

3,633 posts

194 months

Monday 5th May 2014
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Would be good if the old surface was completely re-laid.
All those old markings, covered or removed can be mistaken for lane markings under
certain condition such as wet and poor light etc.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Tuesday 6th May 2014
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Yes, yes, more disruption...that's all we need....hehe

AdamN

388 posts

173 months

Tuesday 6th May 2014
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Hi. Are these cameras active outside of smart motorway areas such as, for example, the M25/A12 junction?

s p a c e m a n

10,752 posts

147 months

Tuesday 6th May 2014
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Nah, they're the standard behind the signs in the gantries around there. Think these new ones are only at junction 5/6 and 21.

AdamN

388 posts

173 months

Tuesday 6th May 2014
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Thanks. There seems to be a whole army of cameras / sensors / monitors / all kinds of weird things cropping up round the motorways. I'm having to spend more time making sure I'm below the speed limit than I'm spending trying not to bump in to other cars.

FuryExocet

3,011 posts

180 months

Tuesday 6th May 2014
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AdamN said:
Thanks. There seems to be a whole army of cameras / sensors / monitors / all kinds of weird things cropping up round the motorways. I'm having to spend more time making sure I'm below the speed limit than I'm spending trying not to bump in to other cars.
Should you really be driving then??

AdamN

388 posts

173 months

Wednesday 7th May 2014
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Hell no! I'm a hazard.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Wednesday 7th May 2014
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FuryExocet said:
AdamN said:
Thanks. There seems to be a whole army of cameras / sensors / monitors / all kinds of weird things cropping up round the motorways. I'm having to spend more time making sure I'm below the speed limit than I'm spending trying not to bump in to other cars.
Should you really be driving then??
How very original. Award yourself a tampon.

9xxNick

927 posts

213 months

Thursday 8th May 2014
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From the Sunday Times:

POLICE are considering enforcing the national speed limit on motorways with a new camera that requires no telltale white markings on the tarmac and will be grey rather than bright yellow. Built for the Highways Agency, which manages the motorway network in England, the camera is expected to be approved for use by the end of this month.

It could be the biggest change to the way speed limits are enforced on motorways since the introduction of the 70mph limit in 1967. The first devices should be on the M25 by the summer. Kent police, whose officers patrol part of the motorway, said last week that the Hadecs3 (Highways Agency digital enforcement camera system) devices would be used to enforce the national 70mph limit as well as variable limits displayed on overhead gantries. “We will be enforcing the national and variable speed limit in Kent,” said the force’s spokeswoman Carly Wymark.

When the cameras are operational, any motorist passing them at a speed of over 79mph will run a high risk of being caught. Police usually prosecute drivers only if they exceed the limit by 10% plus a 2mph margin for error.

Within two years the cameras will also be installed on the M1 south of Sheffield, where a 60mph daytime limit has been proposed to cut emissions. South Yorkshire police said the cameras could also be used to enforce the national speed limit. “We will be discussing options with the Highways Agency, and colleagues in neighbouring forces, as to whether these cameras would be used to enforce the national speed limit or just variable speed limits,” said Catherine Oakes, a spokeswoman for the force.

Speed cameras are already installed on motorways, but they are usually used only to enforce speed limits at roadworks or when variable limits are applied because of congestion or an accident. There are also a handful of conventional Gatso-type speed cameras used, for example, at the end of motorways to slow down traffic.

Some road safety campaigners have argued for the limit to be more rigorously enforced, pointing out that many drivers routinely travel at speeds of more than 80mph. A recent survey for Autocar magazine found that 94.6% of drivers admitted breaking the limit.

Police have resisted using speed cameras for blanket coverage of motorways, on the grounds of cost, and politicians have shied away too — especially since pledging to end the “war on motorists”. The Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) says forces are free to enforce the national speed limit as they see fit — including with cameras.

The Hadecs3 has been designed for use on “smart motorways” — previously known as managed motorways — which feature variable speed limits and in some cases have had the hard shoulder converted to an extra lane, known as a “running” lane. By 2016 the cameras will be used on more than 100 miles of these smart motorways, according to the Highways Agency, and they will eventually be installed on more than 400 miles of the 2,300-mile network.

They will add to the ever-expanding number of enforcement cameras that have made British drivers among the most photographed on earth. Traffic cameras capture 26m images of vehicles a day in Britain, according to Acpo, and that does not include images taken by Gatsos, cameras monitoring traffic lights, parking cameras and those that photograph drivers committing misdemeanours in yellow box junctions or bus lanes (see panel).

A single Hadecs3 camera is able to track dozens of cars a minute over four lanes of traffic at speeds of 12-186mph. Existing speed cameras on motorway gantries usually cover only a single lane. The Hadecs3 is also cheaper to maintain than conventional speed cameras because it does not need road markings. Instead of using painted white lines to give a backup calculation of a car’s speed, each Hadecs3 box contains two radars that give independent readings.

Pictures of offending vehicles are taken from the rear and will include the limit in force at the time. The cameras can also be used to catch motorists who ignore or miss the electronic red X signs indicating that a lane is closed.

Officials say a new camera system is necessary to enforce lane closures on sections of motorway where running lanes are being introduced. They say the cameras could also help to end motorists’ practice of slowing down for the white markings that indicate the presence of a camera and then speeding up again.

The cameras will be linked electronically to the signs displaying the variable speed limit and mounted on poles just ahead of gantries.

The Highways Agency, which is part of the Department for Transport, said: “The Hadecs3 cameras will be visible and motorists will see the recognisable signs — a black image of a camera on a white background — that tell them they are in an area where speed enforcement cameras can operate. The onus is always on drivers to abide by the speed limit.

“The cameras have the capability to enforce the national speed limit but it is up to the police force operating the system to determine at what level enforcement will be carried out.”


robinessex

11,046 posts

180 months

Thursday 8th May 2014
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Very dirty rear number plate time then I think ....................

Being serious. My friends nephew is a motorway patrol office mostly on the M25. His experience is that the majority of accidents are when the free flowing (but mostly over the 70mph limit) traffic starts to build up as the rush hour approaches, and you get the 'slow down, speed up, slow down, speed up' effect kick in. That's when you get all the tail end shunts. So, in their infinite wisdom, what do the powers that be do? They stick up cameras that maybe will be active all the time, so the knowledgeable/alert driver will see them, lift off the gas to obey, whilst Mr Mumpty and his mates behind won't. Mr Mumpty 1 will brake, Mr Mumpty will brake harder, and Mr Mumpty 3 will not be able avoid hitting Mr Mumpty 2 up the bum. And then all hell is capable of being let loose. So we have an accident, that is totally avoidable if the traffic is allowed to flow freely, and not be subjected to a stupid, useless speed limit that is supposedly imposed on us for safety!!!............Ha

Edited by robinessex on Thursday 8th May 17:47

fjord

2,143 posts

136 months

Thursday 8th May 2014
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I thought they all had to be yellow. Isnt that the national agreed standard?

Dave Hedgehog

14,541 posts

203 months

Thursday 8th May 2014
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fjord said:
I thought they all had to be yellow. Isnt that the national agreed standard?
they where painted yellow in an attempt to validate them as education tools rather than just revenue generators

historically the variable ones are only on when a temp speed is set so they remained grey

will be interesting to see if these are on 24/7


some more info on them


http://www.traffictechnologytoday.com/news.php?New...

http://www.redflex.com/index.php/en/media-centre-r...



Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Thursday 8th May 18:16

LordFlathead

9,641 posts

257 months

Thursday 8th May 2014
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It uses radar.

It can be jammed.