HADECS 3 cameras on the M25
Discussion
Landshark said:
Jeez, I didn't mean at 80 ish, I meant that some are getting NIP's from the cameras now when no VSL is shown, not mentioning speed!! But seeing your asking, all the ones I've seen are over 100, check out pepipoo for some others. Personally, my own opinion, so don't ask for proof, I think the limits are around the 90 mark when no VSL, having said that, cameras I know do give out NiPs haven't always flashed!!!
I agree with all of that, it's just that you replied to a post mentioning 80-ish!The gantry cameras sometimes flash at speeds below 90, that's for sure. Whether photos are taken and someone then decides not to take it any further is unknown.
FurtiveFreddy said:
Landshark said:
Jeez, I didn't mean at 80 ish, I meant that some are getting NIP's from the cameras now when no VSL is shown, not mentioning speed!! But seeing your asking, all the ones I've seen are over 100, check out pepipoo for some others. Personally, my own opinion, so don't ask for proof, I think the limits are around the 90 mark when no VSL, having said that, cameras I know do give out NiPs haven't always flashed!!!
I agree with all of that, it's just that you replied to a post mentioning 80-ish!The gantry cameras sometimes flash at speeds below 90, that's for sure. Whether photos are taken and someone then decides not to take it any further is unknown.
HertsBiker said:
How's does one radar work when multiple lanes are populated? Doppler must get very interesting trying to work out which lane is speeding?
The HADECS3 uses a special array antenna so it can cover up to 4 lanes from the one unit. The power of the radar used is less, so you get a later warning with a detector than you would with the gantry-based HADECs.Greg66 said:
Are Hadecs3 cameras actually set up to operate as average speed cameras? Whilst there are the usual box brownie type camera signs up on the M25, there are no signs warning of average sped cams, as there are around Specs-enforced 50mph stretches.
http://www.speedcamerasuk.com/hadecs-3.htm roofer said:
Greg66 said:
Are Hadecs3 cameras actually set up to operate as average speed cameras? Whilst there are the usual box brownie type camera signs up on the M25, there are no signs warning of average sped cams, as there are around Specs-enforced 50mph stretches.
http://www.speedcamerasuk.com/hadecs-3.htm roofer said:
Greg66 said:
Are Hadecs3 cameras actually set up to operate as average speed cameras? Whilst there are the usual box brownie type camera signs up on the M25, there are no signs warning of average sped cams, as there are around Specs-enforced 50mph stretches.
http://www.speedcamerasuk.com/hadecs-3.htm Interesting to read the many contributions of the camera sites for this growing network. I travel the whole circuit of M25 at least twice a week. My Gem Pro has never failed me with new site locations, but I only know that because you guys back up the alert with visual info too.
When the Hadex go average speed linked, and towns follow the East London / Nottingham average speed blanket networks, I can't see how anyone without a detector / locator will keep their licence for longer than a week.
When the Hadex go average speed linked, and towns follow the East London / Nottingham average speed blanket networks, I can't see how anyone without a detector / locator will keep their licence for longer than a week.
Zedboy1200 said:
Interesting to read the many contributions of the camera sites for this growing network. I travel the whole circuit of M25 at least twice a week. My Gem Pro has never failed me with new site locations, but I only know that because you guys back up the alert with visual info too.
When the Hadex go average speed linked, and towns follow the East London / Nottingham average speed blanket networks, I can't see how anyone without a detector / locator will keep their licence for longer than a week.
By not speeding. When the Hadex go average speed linked, and towns follow the East London / Nottingham average speed blanket networks, I can't see how anyone without a detector / locator will keep their licence for longer than a week.
Jezzerh said:
Zedboy1200 said:
Interesting to read the many contributions of the camera sites for this growing network. I travel the whole circuit of M25 at least twice a week. My Gem Pro has never failed me with new site locations, but I only know that because you guys back up the alert with visual info too.
When the Hadex go average speed linked, and towns follow the East London / Nottingham average speed blanket networks, I can't see how anyone without a detector / locator will keep their licence for longer than a week.
By not speeding.When the Hadex go average speed linked, and towns follow the East London / Nottingham average speed blanket networks, I can't see how anyone without a detector / locator will keep their licence for longer than a week.
ker in the German car up yer arse in lane 4.Buzz84 said:
Landshark said:
Buzz84 said:
Recently noticed over the last couple of days that they seem to have erected additional bits of steelwork on both sides on one of the gantrys on the M25 between J10 and J11. They look like it is perfect for mounting a set of these cameras on.
If you are traveling clockwise past the A3 exit, they are on the second gantry you pass iirc
Yup, mentioned it about a month ago (I think on this thread) when they started. All the bits are now in place, just awaiting the cameras, both the ones on the gantry and the one on the pole before the gantry. Interesting it's on the gantry with the HADECS2 camera installed (and flash - but not heard of any tickets) so I guess as the wiring infrastructure etc is already there.If you are traveling clockwise past the A3 exit, they are on the second gantry you pass iirc
(Not sure if you think the same as me, the support arm from the gantry on the J10 - J11 carriageway looks decidedly 'slopey' to me!!
)shall have to keep an eye on it in case its a sign that somethings due to go up on it.
FurtiveFreddy said:
HertsBiker said:
How's does one radar work when multiple lanes are populated? Doppler must get very interesting trying to work out which lane is speeding?
The HADECS3 uses a special array antenna so it can cover up to 4 lanes from the one unit. The power of the radar used is less, so you get a later warning with a detector than you would with the gantry-based HADECs.k me they spend more on speed detection than on looking after old people properly.... I wonder how long that can be allowed to continue and why the UK is so mad keen on this stuff compared to EVERY other country in the beloved EU??????TheAngryDog said:
I saw these on the M1 yesterday in the smart motorway section. I used to sit at 80 leptons on the speedo through this bit but decided to only do 70 leptons yesterday. Looks like it may have been a sensible idea!
I still regularly blast through these, did so last Saturday, never seen any of them flash in the 4 years I've been using that stretch.Edited by TheAngryDog on Wednesday 8th April 16:54
Davidonly said:
So how will the latest gizmo do an average speed check without cameras to read number plates tho? fk me they spend more on speed detection than on looking after old people properly.... I wonder how long that can be allowed to continue and why the UK is so mad keen on this stuff compared to EVERY other country in the beloved EU??????
Depends on what you mean by the "latest gizmo".k me they spend more on speed detection than on looking after old people properly.... I wonder how long that can be allowed to continue and why the UK is so mad keen on this stuff compared to EVERY other country in the beloved EU??????The HADECS3 isn't (currently) an average speed measuring camera. It detects if you are over the posted limit using radar and then takes your photo. HADECS3 are the only type of motorway speed enforcement cameras being installed currently. They are deemed to be much more cost-effective than the gantry cameras, so they could argue that more money is being freed up to spend on old people if they wanted.
SMART motorways won't necessarily have average speed measuring cameras all along them. I think this is a misconception. Although they could introduce them later if they think public opinion will stand it.
You also have to remember that speed cameras generate revenue, whereas old people in care homes do not.
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