HADECS 3 cameras on the M25

HADECS 3 cameras on the M25

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Buzz84

1,145 posts

150 months

Friday 11th December 2015
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And now for a thread resurrection...

There is now one of these cameras mounted in the gantry near the junction 10 where the empty mounts have been up for ages, I cannot say when it went up (or if it works - and no I won't test it) I spotted it on my way home last night and confirmed it today going to work. There is only the one on the anti-clockwise carriage way currently.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Friday 11th December 2015
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They're breeding like rabbits on the M1 now.

One southbound between J27 and 26 is flashing when no lower limit is active.

robinessex

11,062 posts

182 months

Friday 11th December 2015
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Rotating number plate time I guess !!!!

youngsyr

14,742 posts

193 months

Friday 11th December 2015
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Pretty sure I was flashed by one of these between junction 21 and 25 a few months back.

The camera definitely went off and I was the fastest vast in the "dragons teeth " markings, but I didn't hear anything more about it.

I wonder if they're going off but no tickets are being issued, or whether they cannot issue a ticket if there's is more than one car in its sights?

economicpygmy

387 posts

124 months

Saturday 12th December 2015
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youngsyr said:
Pretty sure I was flashed by one of these between junction 21 and 25 a few months back.

The camera definitely went off and I was the fastest vast in the "dragons teeth " markings, but I didn't hear anything more about it.

I wonder if they're going off but no tickets are being issued, or whether they cannot issue a ticket if there's is more than one car in its sights?
The radar system does suffer from problems when taller vehicles are in frame and thus a person has to review the images. Or you could have been under whatever the limit+tolerance is in that area.

robinessex

11,062 posts

182 months

Saturday 12th December 2015
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Or, as per the M25, a few months to frighten people, then they go live.

Landshark

2,117 posts

182 months

Saturday 12th December 2015
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They we're installed overnight last week. Don't think they are active just yet.


Blakewater

4,310 posts

158 months

Saturday 12th December 2015
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Are these cameras always on the sides of gantries like this? Along a new stretch of managed motorway on the M6 approaching the toll road going south a lot of new poles are springing up at the roadside. Will these be for speed cameras or something else?

Lgfst

391 posts

110 months

Saturday 12th December 2015
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Blakewater said:
Are these cameras always on the sides of gantries like this? Along a new stretch of managed motorway on the M6 approaching the toll road going south a lot of new poles are springing up at the roadside. Will these be for speed cameras or something else?
These are already on the M6. Between J10 and 13 iirc. Definitely seen them around the smart motorway areas.

Landshark

2,117 posts

182 months

Saturday 12th December 2015
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Blakewater said:
Are these cameras always on the sides of gantries like this? Along a new stretch of managed motorway on the M6 approaching the toll road going south a lot of new poles are springing up at the roadside. Will these be for speed cameras or something else?
They can be on the side of a single message board, as they are on the north west section of the M25.

covboy

2,577 posts

175 months

Saturday 12th December 2015
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Blakewater said:
Are these cameras always on the sides of gantries like this? Along a new stretch of managed motorway on the M6 approaching the toll road going south a lot of new poles are springing up at the roadside. Will these be for speed cameras or something else?
Possibly just for CCTV. I think all the managed sections have to have full CCTV coverage. As can be seen on the sections from J9 down to J4

Landshark

2,117 posts

182 months

Saturday 12th December 2015
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covboy said:
Possibly just for CCTV. I think all the managed sections have to have full CCTV coverage. As can be seen on the sections from J9 down to J4
The newer all lane running doesn't have the same CCTV set up as the front runners (ie a pole and a camera every so many meters). The m25 isn't even lit on the Surrey/Kent border part, there is standard IR CCTV and IR floodlights, but they have radar poles every so often which detects stationary vehicles.

Beggarall

550 posts

242 months

Sunday 3rd January 2016
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These cameras are multiplying on M25....today i saw new cameras between J16-J15 (anticlockwise) on the same gantry as the "old' speed cameras with another mount (no camera yet) on the northbound carriageway. There are also cameras at J14 clockwise where the slip road joints the M25 before the M4. Is there a map which shows where they are going to be sited?

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Sunday 3rd January 2016
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The way things are going, they'll be on all gantries with existing cameras soon.

havoc

30,083 posts

236 months

Sunday 3rd January 2016
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So "managed motorways" actually means permanently-enforced 70mph limit, regardless of conditions or time of day...

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Sunday 3rd January 2016
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Being the cynic I am, I have to wonder if those zealots at the Highways Agency smuggled the cost of the cameras past government scrutiny in general costings for motorway "improvements".

havoc

30,083 posts

236 months

Sunday 3rd January 2016
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Never ceases to amaze me how the people in charge of our roads are often rabidly anti-car*. Chap I used to work with had his previous job at Coventry City Council...the "Roads Officer" (or whatever the title was) didn't have a driving licence...




* Surely malicious...why else would someone with those views apply for a job in charge of them...and THAT pisses me off.

youngsyr

14,742 posts

193 months

Sunday 3rd January 2016
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Not just our roads department either - many new housing developments are limited as to the number of parking spaces allowed to be put in, with the entirely misguided intention that the new residents will reduce the number of cars they own (and presumably total mileage?) rather than just park their second and third cars on pavements/around the corner on someone else's street/in some other anti-social way.

GreatGranny

9,128 posts

227 months

Monday 4th January 2016
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havoc said:
So "managed motorways" actually means permanently-enforced 70mph limit, regardless of conditions or time of day...
Hasn't the NSL always been permanently enforced?

What do you want them to do?
Ignore speeding motorists at night and/or when its nice weather?

SS2.

14,465 posts

239 months

Monday 4th January 2016
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GreatGranny said:
Hasn't the NSL always been permanently enforced?
AFAIK, they've been able to enforce the NSL using [HADECS] gantry cameras since summer 2008.

Whether or not they chose to exercise that ability (or indeed where to set the NSL trigger threshold) has always been a matter of local policy for the relevant authority ie just because they can, doesn't mean they do.