HADECS 3 cameras on the M25
Discussion
GreatGranny said:
havoc said:
So "managed motorways" actually means permanently-enforced 70mph limit, regardless of conditions or time of day...
Hasn't the NSL always been permanently enforced?What do you want them to do?
Ignore speeding motorists at night and/or when its nice weather?
youngsyr said:
GreatGranny said:
havoc said:
So "managed motorways" actually means permanently-enforced 70mph limit, regardless of conditions or time of day...
Hasn't the NSL always been permanently enforced?What do you want them to do?
Ignore speeding motorists at night and/or when its nice weather?
youngsyr said:
GreatGranny said:
havoc said:
So "managed motorways" actually means permanently-enforced 70mph limit, regardless of conditions or time of day...
Hasn't the NSL always been permanently enforced?What do you want them to do?
Ignore speeding motorists at night and/or when its nice weather?
Please show us all the millions of tickets that have been issued for speeds between 70 & 80 in the NSL on the M25.youngsyr said:
How about increase the speed limit to a more reasonable one rather than persecuting millions of citizens quietly going about their day?
There are still rumbling threats to reduce speed limits on motorways such as the M60 around Manchester to limit pollution. This is the motorway next to which the government is pushing to have a giant waste incinerator built.mygoldfishbowl said:
youngsyr said:
GreatGranny said:
havoc said:
So "managed motorways" actually means permanently-enforced 70mph limit, regardless of conditions or time of day...
Hasn't the NSL always been permanently enforced?What do you want them to do?
Ignore speeding motorists at night and/or when its nice weather?
Please show us all the millions of tickets that have been issued for speeds between 70 & 80 in the NSL on the M25.I read that as nationwide, NSL in general, not just the M25.
But, if you want to talk M25, the cameras have, thus far, not been active unless the limit is below 70. That appears to be changing with the new cameras.
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MBH has interpreted my reference correctly - originally speed enforcement on M-ways was conducted by patrol cars who used that unusual quality called 'judgement' - I suspect the majority of us have been pulled for exceeding the posted limit and just received words of guidance, and as many haven't been pulled, just given a waved 'slow down' sign by coppers who've seen no significant transgression.
More recently, the gantry cameras have been used to manage traffic speeds down by the threat of prosecution, but the general guidance has been "no lit sign = inactive camera", so the "blind eye" to moderate and non-piss-taking breaches of 70mph has been retained.
HADECS-3, however, seemed designed like a claymore - "take as many of them out as you can", and the implication has been given that the NSL WILL be enforced. At what level is uncertain, but as we all know a camera gives no leeway in good conditions and cannot be more vigilant in poor conditions - e.g. 70mph in fog will go unenforced (DWDCAA, IMHO), 8x mph will see a ticket in any conditions, and 96mph on a sunny summer morning at 5am will see a court appearance...
More recently, the gantry cameras have been used to manage traffic speeds down by the threat of prosecution, but the general guidance has been "no lit sign = inactive camera", so the "blind eye" to moderate and non-piss-taking breaches of 70mph has been retained.
HADECS-3, however, seemed designed like a claymore - "take as many of them out as you can", and the implication has been given that the NSL WILL be enforced. At what level is uncertain, but as we all know a camera gives no leeway in good conditions and cannot be more vigilant in poor conditions - e.g. 70mph in fog will go unenforced (DWDCAA, IMHO), 8x mph will see a ticket in any conditions, and 96mph on a sunny summer morning at 5am will see a court appearance...
havoc said:
MBH has interpreted my reference correctly - originally speed enforcement on M-ways was conducted by patrol cars who used that unusual quality called 'judgement' - I suspect the majority of us have been pulled for exceeding the posted limit and just received words of guidance, and as many haven't been pulled, just given a waved 'slow down' sign by coppers who've seen no significant transgression.
More recently, the gantry cameras have been used to manage traffic speeds down by the threat of prosecution, but the general guidance has been "no lit sign = inactive camera", so the "blind eye" to moderate and non-piss-taking breaches of 70mph has been retained.
HADECS-3, however, seemed designed like a claymore - "take as many of them out as you can", and the implication has been given that the NSL WILL be enforced. At what level is uncertain, but as we all know a camera gives no leeway in good conditions and cannot be more vigilant in poor conditions - e.g. 70mph in fog will go unenforced (DWDCAA, IMHO), 8x mph will see a ticket in any conditions, and 96mph on a sunny summer morning at 5am will see a court appearance...
That assumes that a lower limit won't be put in place in Fog via variable limits & that lower limit enforced.More recently, the gantry cameras have been used to manage traffic speeds down by the threat of prosecution, but the general guidance has been "no lit sign = inactive camera", so the "blind eye" to moderate and non-piss-taking breaches of 70mph has been retained.
HADECS-3, however, seemed designed like a claymore - "take as many of them out as you can", and the implication has been given that the NSL WILL be enforced. At what level is uncertain, but as we all know a camera gives no leeway in good conditions and cannot be more vigilant in poor conditions - e.g. 70mph in fog will go unenforced (DWDCAA, IMHO), 8x mph will see a ticket in any conditions, and 96mph on a sunny summer morning at 5am will see a court appearance...
havoc said:
MBH has interpreted my reference correctly - originally speed enforcement on M-ways was conducted by patrol cars who used that unusual quality called 'judgement' - I suspect the majority of us have been pulled for exceeding the posted limit and just received words of guidance, and as many haven't been pulled, just given a waved 'slow down' sign by coppers who've seen no significant transgression.
More recently, the gantry cameras have been used to manage traffic speeds down by the threat of prosecution, but the general guidance has been "no lit sign = inactive camera", so the "blind eye" to moderate and non-piss-taking breaches of 70mph has been retained.
HADECS-3, however, seemed designed like a claymore - "take as many of them out as you can", and the implication has been given that the NSL WILL be enforced. At what level is uncertain, but as we all know a camera gives no leeway in good conditions and cannot be more vigilant in poor conditions - e.g. 70mph in fog will go unenforced (DWDCAA, IMHO), 8x mph will see a ticket in any conditions, and 96mph on a sunny summer morning at 5am will see a court appearance...
there has never been and never will be any guidance that says any such thing.More recently, the gantry cameras have been used to manage traffic speeds down by the threat of prosecution, but the general guidance has been "no lit sign = inactive camera", so the "blind eye" to moderate and non-piss-taking breaches of 70mph has been retained.
HADECS-3, however, seemed designed like a claymore - "take as many of them out as you can", and the implication has been given that the NSL WILL be enforced. At what level is uncertain, but as we all know a camera gives no leeway in good conditions and cannot be more vigilant in poor conditions - e.g. 70mph in fog will go unenforced (DWDCAA, IMHO), 8x mph will see a ticket in any conditions, and 96mph on a sunny summer morning at 5am will see a court appearance...
Quite where that myth came from is a mystery that you may be able to clear up but I doubt it. Not enforcing the NSL limit is simply not logical.
truck71 said:
I was zapped twice on the M4/M5 very early last Monday morning by these whilst there was a NSL limit (was perplexed as flash wasn't from above). Be interesting to see if anything comes of it.
The enforcement equipment has now been modified so that it is at the side of the motorway not above a lane. One side mounted system can replace up to 5 over-lane systems.Pure speculation, but I wonder what the capacity of the DVLA is to deal with speeding infractions?
There are somewhere in the region of 30m cars on the road in the UK travelling something like 300 billion miles per year, so that works out at just under a total of 10 miles travelled by cars every second of the day.
Apparently in the recent past around a million speeding tickets have been issued a year, or 1 every 30 seconds or so. I wonder at what point the current system will reach capacity, if it hasn't done so already?
There are somewhere in the region of 30m cars on the road in the UK travelling something like 300 billion miles per year, so that works out at just under a total of 10 miles travelled by cars every second of the day.
Apparently in the recent past around a million speeding tickets have been issued a year, or 1 every 30 seconds or so. I wonder at what point the current system will reach capacity, if it hasn't done so already?
Ok. Dumb question time.....
The reduced speed limits on the M25... I use that motorway allot usually doing the northern half between the M11 and the M4. There are quite often reduced speed limits. I do reduce speed a bit (and in fairness so do most other people) But rarely does the motorway speed drop to the limit shown on the sign.
Im not really sure what my question is, other than if they are not going to enforce then whats the point?
Peter
P.S. On a slightly different note, I wish they would go zero tolerence on people using a lane marked with an X. The number of times its 4 lanes into 1 but people drive past and expect to be let in at the last moment drives me crazy. Especially when its professional drivers that really should know better. (ok, rant over... breathe)
The reduced speed limits on the M25... I use that motorway allot usually doing the northern half between the M11 and the M4. There are quite often reduced speed limits. I do reduce speed a bit (and in fairness so do most other people) But rarely does the motorway speed drop to the limit shown on the sign.
Im not really sure what my question is, other than if they are not going to enforce then whats the point?
Peter
P.S. On a slightly different note, I wish they would go zero tolerence on people using a lane marked with an X. The number of times its 4 lanes into 1 but people drive past and expect to be let in at the last moment drives me crazy. Especially when its professional drivers that really should know better. (ok, rant over... breathe)
Blakewater said:
youngsyr said:
How about increase the speed limit to a more reasonable one rather than persecuting millions of citizens quietly going about their day?
There are still rumbling threats to reduce speed limits on motorways such as the M60 around Manchester to limit pollution. This is the motorway next to which the government is pushing to have a giant waste incinerator built.Had Waze on for a trip down the M1 over New Year, and had not been down it for a while. For most of it, the camera alert was permantly alerting, the new Hadecs 3's were prety much everywhere, and cars other cars behaviour was very strange in regards to speed, i.e. slowing, speeding up, and I would say drving was very distracting, as cars were not just travelling along at a steady reasonable speed to each other. Think I wil choose the A1 in future, feels much safer.
pedromorgan said:
Ok. Dumb question time.....
The reduced speed limits on the M25... I use that motorway allot usually doing the northern half between the M11 and the M4. There are quite often reduced speed limits. I do reduce speed a bit (and in fairness so do most other people) But rarely does the motorway speed drop to the limit shown on the sign.
Im not really sure what my question is, other than if they are not going to enforce then whats the point?
Peter
P.S. On a slightly different note, I wish they would go zero tolerence on people using a lane marked with an X. The number of times its 4 lanes into 1 but people drive past and expect to be let in at the last moment drives me crazy. Especially when its professional drivers that really should know better. (ok, rant over... breathe)
Dicussed many times here. You should merge when you have to, not 1 mile before you get to the problem.The reduced speed limits on the M25... I use that motorway allot usually doing the northern half between the M11 and the M4. There are quite often reduced speed limits. I do reduce speed a bit (and in fairness so do most other people) But rarely does the motorway speed drop to the limit shown on the sign.
Im not really sure what my question is, other than if they are not going to enforce then whats the point?
Peter
P.S. On a slightly different note, I wish they would go zero tolerence on people using a lane marked with an X. The number of times its 4 lanes into 1 but people drive past and expect to be let in at the last moment drives me crazy. Especially when its professional drivers that really should know better. (ok, rant over... breathe)
Trax said:
Blakewater said:
youngsyr said:
How about increase the speed limit to a more reasonable one rather than persecuting millions of citizens quietly going about their day?
There are still rumbling threats to reduce speed limits on motorways such as the M60 around Manchester to limit pollution. This is the motorway next to which the government is pushing to have a giant waste incinerator built.Had Waze on for a trip down the M1 over New Year, and had not been down it for a while. For most of it, the camera alert was permantly alerting, the new Hadecs 3's were prety much everywhere, and cars other cars behaviour was very strange in regards to speed, i.e. slowing, speeding up, and I would say drving was very distracting, as cars were not just travelling along at a steady reasonable speed to each other. Think I wil choose the A1 in future, feels much safer.
robinessex said:
Dicussed many times here. You should merge when you have to, not 1 mile before you get to the problem.
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