HADECS 3 cameras on the M25
Discussion
tapereel said:
Because, Like you they are liars,
The M5 & M4 have got nothing to do with the M25 which this thread is about, but even if they had those cameras don't enforce the NSL either, they also enforce a higher speed.
jonnygti said:
CoolHands said:
I went past one at approx 120-130 and still accelerating. Didn't get a ticket. Make of that what you will.
Did it flash you?CoolHands said:
Not that I noticed. I noticed the box hanging off the gantry on the side as I whizzed through it too late to abort.
Keep an eye out for the ~15ft high "T" shaped pole with as many cameras as lanes mounted across its top. Thats your warning sign that the next gantry has HADECS mounted on it.speedking31 said:
Yes they were in the managed motorway section coming north out of Birmingham on the M6. However, the cameras were mounted on a bracket on an umbrella handle massive pole supporting a single square-ish message board, not a gantry spanning the carriageway.
In the dark these will be impossible to see, and could be a game changer wrt my approach to driving on the motorway.
Found something similar.In the dark these will be impossible to see, and could be a game changer wrt my approach to driving on the motorway.
speedking31 said:
ound something similar.
One thing that is puzzling me about that stretch is it's recently been upgraded to managed motorway but there is only one gantry along the whole stretch with the variable limit signs and cameras mounted over all the lanes. However there are several of the large roadside matrix signs as per the link which will also display the variable speed limit and all have HADECS on them so are they also enforcing the variable limit or not?I was on that stretch yesterday when it was supposed to be down to 40mph and everyone was ignoring it but I didn't notice the cameras flashing. It strikes me that most people associate a variable limit with gantry mounted signs and cameras whilst the lone sign at the road side is ignored like it's just a regular matrix sign displaying an advisory limit but if it starts enforcing the variable limit with no prior warning then a lot of people are going to get some nasty surprises, what would being nicked for doing 70 in a 40 variable limit get you?
jurbie said:
speedking31 said:
ound something similar.
One thing that is puzzling me about that stretch is it's recently been upgraded to managed motorway but there is only one gantry along the whole stretch with the variable limit signs and cameras mounted over all the lanes. However there are several of the large roadside matrix signs as per the link which will also display the variable speed limit and all have HADECS on them so are they also enforcing the variable limit or not?From what I can remember MM2 (now all smart) to keep costs down ? Superspan gantries will be used less frequently, along with emergency refuge areas etc. There will always be one (or should be) after a junction so joining traffic passes an 'enforceable' limit followed by the "hockey stick" vms (think inverted hockey stick
) properly known as an MS4 (Google MS4 gantry 
for ideas http://www.nusteelstructures.com/gantries/ms4/ )Can't quite remember what the small "irrelevant" sign in front of the MS4 was apart from some very heated meetings
With issues around it's size, positioning and legality
smack said:
Overnight (well the platform in preparation for the install has been there for months) a new camera has been installed between J18-19 Clockwise.
noticed these today, bit confused as they already have gantry cameras next to where it has been mounted, surely don't need two sets of cameras in one place? 
speedyguy said:
Fill your boots https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-to-drive-on-a-smar...
From what I can remember MM2 (now all smart) to keep costs down ? Superspan gantries will be used less frequently, along with emergency refuge areas etc. There will always be one (or should be) after a junction so joining traffic passes an 'enforceable' limit followed by the "hockey stick" vms (think inverted hockey stick) properly known as an MS4 (Google MS4 gantry for ideas http://www.nusteelstructures.com/gantries/ms4/ )
Can't quite remember what the small "irrelevant" sign in front of the MS4 was apart from some very heated meetings
With issues around it's size, positioning and legality
Interesting, so the verge mounted signs are being used because they are cheaper and the HADECS will monitor all lanes when an enforceable limit is being shown and sooner or later the cameras will become live and will nick thousands. Meanwhile I'm at the limit whilst everyone else sails past 30 or 40 mph faster.From what I can remember MM2 (now all smart) to keep costs down ? Superspan gantries will be used less frequently, along with emergency refuge areas etc. There will always be one (or should be) after a junction so joining traffic passes an 'enforceable' limit followed by the "hockey stick" vms (think inverted hockey stick
) properly known as an MS4 (Google MS4 gantry for ideas http://www.nusteelstructures.com/gantries/ms4/ )Can't quite remember what the small "irrelevant" sign in front of the MS4 was apart from some very heated meetings
With issues around it's size, positioning and legality
I feel the highways agency perhaps needs to advertise what it plans to do because I can see either a major pile up caused by such a wide gap in speeds or a huge backlog in court when so many find themselves nicked at or approaching double the limit.
va1o said:
smack said:
Overnight (well the platform in preparation for the install has been there for months) a new camera has been installed between J18-19 Clockwise.
noticed these today, bit confused as they already have gantry cameras next to where it has been mounted, surely don't need two sets of cameras in one place? What would they do if they removed the old ones, sell them to Zimbabwe?
jurbie said:
speedyguy said:
Fill your boots https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-to-drive-on-a-smar...
From what I can remember MM2 (now all smart) to keep costs down ? Superspan gantries will be used less frequently, along with emergency refuge areas etc. There will always be one (or should be) after a junction so joining traffic passes an 'enforceable' limit followed by the "hockey stick" vms (think inverted hockey stick) properly known as an MS4 (Google MS4 gantry for ideas http://www.nusteelstructures.com/gantries/ms4/ )
Can't quite remember what the small "irrelevant" sign in front of the MS4 was apart from some very heated meetings
With issues around it's size, positioning and legality
Interesting, so the verge mounted signs are being used because they are cheaper and the HADECS will monitor all lanes when an enforceable limit is being shown and sooner or later the cameras will become live and will nick thousands. Meanwhile I'm at the limit whilst everyone else sails past 30 or 40 mph faster.From what I can remember MM2 (now all smart) to keep costs down ? Superspan gantries will be used less frequently, along with emergency refuge areas etc. There will always be one (or should be) after a junction so joining traffic passes an 'enforceable' limit followed by the "hockey stick" vms (think inverted hockey stick
) properly known as an MS4 (Google MS4 gantry for ideas http://www.nusteelstructures.com/gantries/ms4/ )Can't quite remember what the small "irrelevant" sign in front of the MS4 was apart from some very heated meetings
With issues around it's size, positioning and legality
I feel the highways agency perhaps needs to advertise what it plans to do because I can see either a major pile up caused by such a wide gap in speeds or a huge backlog in court when so many find themselves nicked at or approaching double the limit.
TX.
Terminator X said:
jurbie said:
speedyguy said:
Fill your boots https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-to-drive-on-a-smar...
From what I can remember MM2 (now all smart) to keep costs down ? Superspan gantries will be used less frequently, along with emergency refuge areas etc. There will always be one (or should be) after a junction so joining traffic passes an 'enforceable' limit followed by the "hockey stick" vms (think inverted hockey stick) properly known as an MS4 (Google MS4 gantry for ideas http://www.nusteelstructures.com/gantries/ms4/ )
Can't quite remember what the small "irrelevant" sign in front of the MS4 was apart from some very heated meetings
With issues around it's size, positioning and legality
Interesting, so the verge mounted signs are being used because they are cheaper and the HADECS will monitor all lanes when an enforceable limit is being shown and sooner or later the cameras will become live and will nick thousands. Meanwhile I'm at the limit whilst everyone else sails past 30 or 40 mph faster.From what I can remember MM2 (now all smart) to keep costs down ? Superspan gantries will be used less frequently, along with emergency refuge areas etc. There will always be one (or should be) after a junction so joining traffic passes an 'enforceable' limit followed by the "hockey stick" vms (think inverted hockey stick
) properly known as an MS4 (Google MS4 gantry for ideas http://www.nusteelstructures.com/gantries/ms4/ )Can't quite remember what the small "irrelevant" sign in front of the MS4 was apart from some very heated meetings
With issues around it's size, positioning and legality
I feel the highways agency perhaps needs to advertise what it plans to do because I can see either a major pile up caused by such a wide gap in speeds or a huge backlog in court when so many find themselves nicked at or approaching double the limit.
TX.
Saying that, I'm sure I've read that the limit will taper down over miles and miles and miles so it won't go straight from 70 to 40.
colin_p said:
Many will be doing double the limit or close to it when one of those pointless 40 limits pops up for no apparent reason at all.
Saying that, I'm sure I've read that the limit will taper down over miles and miles and miles so it won't go straight from 70 to 40.
And RCC bod can answer that, as far as I'm aware speeds will never drop below 20mph increments i'e 70-50 or 70-60-40, if in a 50mph roadworks area they may drop straight to 30 if the signals are still operative, as mentioned RCC opo's will know more.Saying that, I'm sure I've read that the limit will taper down over miles and miles and miles so it won't go straight from 70 to 40.
Also the implementation of laser speed measurement going forward will allow the removal of midas loops every 250M across the network and the associated roadworks disruption and costs similar to the concrete barriers, no need to keep closing lanes etc to replace after a small ding.
mybrainhurts said:
va1o said:
smack said:
Overnight (well the platform in preparation for the install has been there for months) a new camera has been installed between J18-19 Clockwise.
noticed these today, bit confused as they already have gantry cameras next to where it has been mounted, surely don't need two sets of cameras in one place? What would they do if they removed the old ones, sell them to Zimbabwe?
The way they've done it looks like a pointless exercise and waste of money
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