Mrs NW Suspended on full pay!!
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The problem with threads like this is that we only have the opinion of the husband of the person involved. Now I'm not saying he's wrong but in the general scheme of things that's a hugely biased source of information backed up by the opinions of many who want to assume that the employer is in the wrong.
We don't know who is in the wrong, we don't know what happened. If you have any experience of employment disputes you will know that the opinions put forwards from both sides can be hugely different from each other and it is only when you have both sides express their version do you have any ability to make a judgement.
We don't know who is in the wrong, we don't know what happened. If you have any experience of employment disputes you will know that the opinions put forwards from both sides can be hugely different from each other and it is only when you have both sides express their version do you have any ability to make a judgement.
Why are you muddying the waters? Whether or not she was absent from work on holiday at the time of the funds allegedly going missing is a matter of fact not opinion (It's binary - 0 or 1: either she was or she wasn't). The OP says she was. Are you suggesting she was fibbing to him? If so, what does she stand to gain by it?
Red Devil said:
Why are you muddying the waters? Whether or not she was absent from work on holiday at the time of the funds allegedly going missing is a matter of fact not opinion (It's binary - 0 or 1: either she was or she wasn't). The OP says she was. Are you suggesting she was fibbing to him? If so, what does she stand to gain by it?
I'm saying that we have no idea. Maybe it was discovered when she was on holiday but they suspect that it may have happened earlier. We have no idea.To accept the facts as portrayed by the OP you do have to work on the premise that employer is really stupid, of course they may be, we have no way of knowing. But accuse someone of stealing when they were demonstrably not there would be really dumb, and maybe they are, but maybe it's not so simple as that. We don't know.
Siscar said:
Red Devil said:
Why are you muddying the waters? Whether or not she was absent from work on holiday at the time of the funds allegedly going missing is a matter of fact not opinion (It's binary - 0 or 1: either she was or she wasn't). The OP says she was. Are you suggesting she was fibbing to him? If so, what does she stand to gain by it?
I'm saying that we have no idea. Maybe it was discovered when she was on holiday but they suspect that it may have happened earlier. We have no idea.To accept the facts as portrayed by the OP you do have to work on the premise that employer is really stupid, of course they may be, we have no way of knowing. But accuse someone of stealing when they were demonstrably not there would be really dumb, and maybe they are, but maybe it's not so simple as that. We don't know.
IanA2 said:
Siscar, from your comments I suspect you have never worked in the public sector. Bizarre things happen, I know, I've seen it. Personally I am not all all surprised by the description the OP has given of the events. I've seen worse.
Sure, bizarre things happen and what the OP says may well be entirely accurate with an incompetent employer in action, but equally we don't know, it's one persons view from a biased perspective.Anyway, NW - is that legal, that they can send out a disciplinary letter which, clearly (or un-clearly) states the reasons it's going ahead, to then ask further questions that weren't on the original letter?
Seems utterly bogus to me and public sector or not (I've seen worse in the Private, tbh) it surely cannot be correct practise to do so.
Anyone else know?
Seems utterly bogus to me and public sector or not (I've seen worse in the Private, tbh) it surely cannot be correct practise to do so.
Anyone else know?
OP, realistically you need to decide what you (your wife) wants to do.
I think you and she already know that things will only be more difficult at this place. The question is how to extract her from the situation ideally with another job to go to and money in the bank.
Has she been looking at other jobs?
I think you and she already know that things will only be more difficult at this place. The question is how to extract her from the situation ideally with another job to go to and money in the bank.
Has she been looking at other jobs?
NormalWisdom said:
Explain "EXACTLY" how you know that
Because the accused is your wife? You see this as an open and shut case. Others have suggested alternative versions of events which (going by your posts) haven't entered your thoughts. That to me is the bias at work.
That's not a criticism btw, anyone would be the same. Bottom line is nobody here has all the 'facts' from each side so can't see it objectively either.
Hope it goes well, I've been paid off prior to tribunal myself. Felt good at the time but sometimes wish I'd gone the whole hog- I had much more dirt up my sleeve to throw around.
Get looking for a new job and plan your exit strategy including what is wanted from a compromise agreement.
The union rep should have stopped the meeting going into new areas. This is not allowed - only the initial accusation can be discussed. This part should be struck from the record as you are entitled to advance notice of such things so you can prepare a response and give full consideration to the matter - it should NOT be an ambush which it sounds like this was.
If they want to investigate wastage further then let them set up a new meeting with a fresh agenda.
The theft accusation is spurious at best and malicious at worst. This accusation must be well known now at the school and is doubtless the subject of gossip and tittle tattle and whatever the outcome will malign your Mrs. From what you say it seems there is no way your wife could have been involved - with this in mind do you not have grounds for a defamation of character suit against them? perhaps one point to drop in to the next meeting??
The union rep should have stopped the meeting going into new areas. This is not allowed - only the initial accusation can be discussed. This part should be struck from the record as you are entitled to advance notice of such things so you can prepare a response and give full consideration to the matter - it should NOT be an ambush which it sounds like this was.
If they want to investigate wastage further then let them set up a new meeting with a fresh agenda.
The theft accusation is spurious at best and malicious at worst. This accusation must be well known now at the school and is doubtless the subject of gossip and tittle tattle and whatever the outcome will malign your Mrs. From what you say it seems there is no way your wife could have been involved - with this in mind do you not have grounds for a defamation of character suit against them? perhaps one point to drop in to the next meeting??
NormalWisdom said:
Siscar said:
it's one persons view from a biased perspective.
Explain "EXACTLY" how you know thatDoes it really matter if he is biased? Does it matter if his wife took the money...for all we know, he hasn't even got a wife and it's a 16 year old girl taking is for fools.
This area of PH should be solely here for advice. 99/100 topics on this section of PH, appear to be, entirely honest and posted almost through desperation. The last thing they need is people coming in (with nothing better to do) and call them out on minor details.
This is the ONE place we should be able to stick together and take each's sides.
..back on topic, as I asked, are they allowed to switch what they are accusing mrs NW of? Looking for an experts opinion here. I would assume they would need to write up another letter explaining what she has been suspended of, right?!
This area of PH should be solely here for advice. 99/100 topics on this section of PH, appear to be, entirely honest and posted almost through desperation. The last thing they need is people coming in (with nothing better to do) and call them out on minor details.
This is the ONE place we should be able to stick together and take each's sides.
..back on topic, as I asked, are they allowed to switch what they are accusing mrs NW of? Looking for an experts opinion here. I would assume they would need to write up another letter explaining what she has been suspended of, right?!
SpeedMattersNot said:
Does it really matter if he is biased? Does it matter if his wife took the money...for all we know, he hasn't even got a wife and it's a 16 year old girl taking is for fools.
This area of PH should be solely here for advice. 99/100 topics on this section of PH, appear to be, entirely honest and posted almost through desperation. The last thing they need is people coming in (with nothing better to do) and call them out on minor details.
This is the ONE place we should be able to stick together and take each's sides.
..back on topic, as I asked, are they allowed to switch what they are accusing mrs NW of? Looking for an experts opinion here. I would assume they would need to write up another letter explaining what she has been suspended of, right?!
The primary issue is that advice is sought, in the main, from people who have no idea of what they are talking about. Compete absence of any relevant experience or knowledge isn't obvious here in the way it may be if you stand around in the pub where it may be more apparent that most have no clue what they are on about.This area of PH should be solely here for advice. 99/100 topics on this section of PH, appear to be, entirely honest and posted almost through desperation. The last thing they need is people coming in (with nothing better to do) and call them out on minor details.
This is the ONE place we should be able to stick together and take each's sides.
..back on topic, as I asked, are they allowed to switch what they are accusing mrs NW of? Looking for an experts opinion here. I would assume they would need to write up another letter explaining what she has been suspended of, right?!
So it becomes very easy for the crowd to provide false hope and assurance where qualified help may advise a quite different path. Dangerous.
Siscar said:
NormalWisdom said:
Siscar said:
it's one persons view from a biased perspective.
Explain "EXACTLY" how you know thatNormalWisdom said:
Really does demonstrate how PH can be good and bad. BV72, thanks for you advice we will pursue and thanks to the rest for the support. To those that post 10 times a day, take a good look at yourself.
I wish there was a way of just filtering this thread from internet "law experts" and just have yours and Breadvan's replies on here.NormalWisdom said:
Siscar said:
NormalWisdom said:
Siscar said:
it's one persons view from a biased perspective.
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Siscar said:
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