Mrs NW Suspended on full pay!!

Mrs NW Suspended on full pay!!

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NormalWisdom

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2,139 posts

159 months

Wednesday 7th May 2014
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Davel said:
Has anyone else there been suspended or just Mrs NW?
Just Mrs NW

GreatGranny said:
Is she employed by the school or the LA?
By the school until 31st DEcember, since then she was TUPEd into an outsourced company

Breadvan72 said:
Ubi ius ibi remedium*. In other words, go get 'em. I will offer some pro bono initial steers by PM if you like.

* Where there is a legal right, there is a remedy for the breach of it.
Sir, you are a true gentleman - As stated I will await the official letter from her employer to better understand the lie of the land

ferrariF50lover

1,834 posts

226 months

Wednesday 7th May 2014
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Davel said:
Has anyone else there been suspended or just Mrs NW?
I was going to ask this.

Someone must have made a decision as to whom to suspend. That someone must have had thresholds of proximity, opportunity, likelihood etc in their thinking in order to decide who stays and who goes. Everyone who meets or exceeds the thresholds must be suspended. If Mrs NW was suspended given her circumstances as detailed in the OP, we must presume she met the thresholds. If they're that low, it's fair to assume that everyone at the school was suspended, teachers, students, contractors, the lot. If this hasn't happened, then we must ascertain why Mrs NW met the tests, but others didn't.

Simon.

Of course, in the real world, we know that, for whatever reason, the school doesn't like Mrs NW, so they're trying to force her out the door by bullying her into submission. Why anyone would want to do this is a mystery. Firstly, because I'm certain the OP's wife is a delightful lady and secondly because it's so obviously going to be much worse for them when the Daily Wail inevitably send a reporter to the inevitable employment tribunal of the "woman who was sacked for serving sausage to a Muslim".



Davel

8,982 posts

258 months

Wednesday 7th May 2014
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And suspected of theft when, in fact, she was off sick!

You really couldn't make it up - although they would seem to have done just that....

I would have thought that they are leaving themselves wide open by doing this but, of course, I'm no legal bod.

NormalWisdom

Original Poster:

2,139 posts

159 months

Tuesday 13th May 2014
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The original suspension last Tuesday was committed verbally. It is now over a week and still no formal written suspension letter has been received detailing the reasons. Does anyone know if there is a time limit to such matters?

Thanks - NW

Rude-boy

22,227 posts

233 months

Tuesday 13th May 2014
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I take it that from previous you have a full copy of the disaplinary procedures and staff handbook? If not ask for one, if so look in there. If they have deviated from those procedures they are possibly in trouble but speak to an employment solicitor about that.

There also appears to be a sustained course of action against your wife from the bits and bobs I have read. You may wish to talk about this with your wife's solicitor.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 13th May 2014
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Absent a timetable prescribed by the employer's disciplinary procedure, there is none prescribed by the general law, but the employer must act reasonably. ACAS codes are not law, but an employer that follows neither a fair procedure of its own nor an external guideline acts at risk.

Time for a polite but firm letter, I think. Do not allow time to pass without asserting your position, as in a constructive dismissal endgame delay can be fatal.

pm me for a draft letter.

cossy400

3,161 posts

184 months

Tuesday 13th May 2014
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Breadvan72 said:
Absent a timetable prescribed by the employer's disciplinary procedure, there is none prescribed by the general law, but the employer must act reasonably. ACAS codes are not law, but an employer that follows neither a fair procedure of its own nor an external guideline acts at risk.

Time for a polite but firm letter, I think. Do not allow time to pass without asserting your position, as in a constructive dismissal endgame delay can be fatal.

pm me for a draft letter.
Advice like this is what you need.

Carrier pigeon would of got you the letter here in less time, as BV has said firm letter.

Terminator X

15,052 posts

204 months

Tuesday 13th May 2014
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As I said in the other thread, just leave for bigger and brighter things. That place sounds horrific, why on earth does she put herself through it?

TX.

NormalWisdom

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2,139 posts

159 months

Wednesday 14th May 2014
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"Official" Letter received allbeit through company email with a registered delivery to follow. The email was not received until yesterday and a meeting has been requested for today (which Mrs NW refuses to attend without adequate support).

It would also appear that she has been suspended on "zero pay due to the nature of the loss of money"

Mrs NW is beside herself!

BV, your offer is much appreciated but I don't seem to be able to PM.

Siscar

6,315 posts

129 months

Wednesday 14th May 2014
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NormalWisdom said:
"Official" Letter received allbeit through company email with a registered delivery to follow. The email was not received until yesterday and a meeting has been requested for today (which Mrs NW refuses to attend without adequate support).
Does she realise that union official or work colleague are her only options for support unless the employer is unusually generous?

NormalWisdom

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2,139 posts

159 months

Wednesday 14th May 2014
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Siscar said:
Does she realise that union official or work colleague are her only options for support unless the employer is unusually generous?
Absolutely - It will be a union rep but the date needs to be mutually acceptable

Siscar

6,315 posts

129 months

Wednesday 14th May 2014
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NormalWisdom said:
Absolutely - It will be a union rep but the date needs to be mutually acceptable
Well only to a point, if it's in working hours for all participants then there is an argument that the meeting can be when they choose.

carinaman

21,289 posts

172 months

Wednesday 14th May 2014
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NormalWisdom said:
"Official" Letter received allbeit through company email with a registered delivery to follow. The email was not received until yesterday and a meeting has been requested for today (which Mrs NW refuses to attend without adequate support).
That's not much notice is it?

I think that lack of notice is an attempt at gaining an advantage and something I've seen in two other cases.

I think my previous doubts that this is a stitch up and they're working to an agenda may have been confirmed.

ferrariF50lover

1,834 posts

226 months

Wednesday 14th May 2014
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Norm, click on BV's username. When his profile comes up, one of the tabs will be 'email me'. That's the PM function on here.

Apologies, if you knew that and the problem is something else, but I though, you know, better safe than sorry.

Simon.

NormalWisdom

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2,139 posts

159 months

Wednesday 14th May 2014
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ferrariF50lover said:
Norm, click on BV's username. When his profile comes up, one of the tabs will be 'email me'. That's the PM function on here.

Apologies, if you knew that and the problem is something else, but I though, you know, better safe than sorry.

Simon.
Ah ok thanks - In that case BV, I emailed you yesterday!! In fact I am so riled at this I am seriously considering paying for your services, this has gone on for too long in one way or another!!

NormalWisdom

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2,139 posts

159 months

Wednesday 14th May 2014
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What is making me more angry is that I'm in Munich and she is having to deal with this on her own.......

(not intended to be a sob story!)

Pit Pony

8,532 posts

121 months

Wednesday 14th May 2014
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Riley Blue said:
You'll be lucky to get any any action out of her union. When I accompanied my disabled O/H to a meeting with her union regional rep in the hope of getting a watertight claim for victimisation and intimidation acted upon all he was interested in was minimising the cost of union involvement. His first question was 'How much would you accept as a pay off?' Useless prick!
Well how much ? I was asked this by my union rep, before she then ripped my boss apart in front of the HR manager and his boss. I was made redundant (fairly - with 10% of the workforce) 4 months later, and got a lot less than the figure I told her.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 14th May 2014
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NormalWisdom said:
ferrariF50lover said:
Norm, click on BV's username. When his profile comes up, one of the tabs will be 'email me'. That's the PM function on here.

Apologies, if you knew that and the problem is something else, but I though, you know, better safe than sorry.

Simon.
Ah ok thanks - In that case BV, I emailed you yesterday!! In fact I am so riled at this I am seriously considering paying for your services, this has gone on for too long in one way or another!!
No PM received just yet.

I can only be hired via a solicitor and I am too expensive for the average employment tribunal claim, but I can recommend one of my junior colleagues, all of whom are much better than me and much cheaper.




NormalWisdom

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2,139 posts

159 months

Wednesday 14th May 2014
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I sent another this morning - It arrives from an AOL email account

I can/will pay what it takes so any recommendation welcomed, thanks

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 14th May 2014
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I have sent you an email.

Where are you located? I will recommend a solicitor near you, and if the situation becomes barristery. I would suggest that the solicitor use pretty much any of the junior juniors (ie from one to ten years experience) at Blackstone Chambers, all of whom are fabulous, but some of whom do more employment work than others.