"What has happened to our police force?"
Discussion
Cat said:
Am I the only one whose heart sinks when a thread from months/years past suddenly bobs to the top of the forum like a turd that refuses to flush and the realisation dawns that it will now have a link to some slightly unrelated (if you're lucky) news story along with random ramblings?
Cat
No you're not. It's his thing, to scour news reports from all over the country for anything vaguely negative about a policeman and then to dig up the nearest thread he can can find regardless of actual relevancy and post the link and attach some stupid comments.Cat
singlecoil
IainT said:
tuffer said:
one was the only officer on duty for Manchester City center on a Friday night a few weeks back......That is pretty scary.
I find that very very hard to believe, was using hyperbole to make a point?340600 said:
Try not to get too excited carinaman, we wouldn't want you to go off on a tangent.
Genuine LOL. 
singlecoil said:
Cat said:
Am I the only one whose heart sinks when a thread from months/years past suddenly bobs to the top of the forum like a turd that refuses to flush and the realisation dawns that it will now have a link to some slightly unrelated (if you're lucky) news story along with random ramblings?
Cat
No you're not. It's his thing, to scour news reports from all over the country for anything vaguely negative about a policeman and then to dig up the nearest thread he can can find regardless of actual relevancy and post the link and attach some stupid comments.Cat
singlecoil
photosnob said:
If police numbers are low they should get a few more free volunteers. I can't see why anyone would chose to do it for nothing but I met a bloke who spends his spare time being a policeman for no money. He claimed to have the same training and powers as a normal policeman so they can do the job. He even had a police ID card which he was flashing around the dinner party as if he was a celebrity.
The police mucked me around when I had my bag snatched. Said they wanted to come out and see me. Told me an approx time and 4 hours after that time and close to 11 pm called me and said they wernt coming and gave me a ref number. Crap service by anyone's book. If they had told me they didn't want to come if have gone and socialised with friends.
With regards to Specials, yes they are great for flying the flag and showing presence, and some are very very good police officers. However...when it comes down to their training, I fear your friend might be blagging a little. They have I believe 7 weekends (2.5days a time)of basic training. That's compared to 35 weeks of 9-5 full time training. Ask him how many file submission he has done! They have the same powers, but unfortunately and through no fault of their own, their overall knowledge and expertise are generally quite limited. The badge flashing novelty will wear off too. The last thing I would do at a dinner party is give away my profession!The police mucked me around when I had my bag snatched. Said they wanted to come out and see me. Told me an approx time and 4 hours after that time and close to 11 pm called me and said they wernt coming and gave me a ref number. Crap service by anyone's book. If they had told me they didn't want to come if have gone and socialised with friends.
As for your bag being snatched....Like (I think it was) Liga said above... your historic incident may have become, unfortunately, a back burner due to more pressing ongoing incidents. Not great for you, but a growing sorry state of affairs due to dwindling numbers. I imagine your missed opportunity to socialise with your mates wasn't their main priority at that time. I do TRY and phone though to let people know I'm not coming though, but there are times when even this isn't possible.
Edited by Mk3Spitfire on Thursday 21st August 11:26
g3org3y said:
340600 said:
Try not to get too excited carinaman, we wouldn't want you to go off on a tangent.
Genuine LOL. singlecoil said:
Cat said:
Am I the only one whose heart sinks when a thread from months/years past suddenly bobs to the top of the forum like a turd that refuses to flush and the realisation dawns that it will now have a link to some slightly unrelated (if you're lucky) news story along with random ramblings?
Cat
No you're not. It's his thing, to scour news reports from all over the country for anything vaguely negative about a policeman and then to dig up the nearest thread he can can find regardless of actual relevancy and post the link and attach some stupid comments.Cat
singlecoil
tuffer said:
IainT said:
tuffer said:
one was the only officer on duty for Manchester City center on a Friday night a few weeks back......That is pretty scary.
I find that very very hard to believe, was using hyperbole to make a point?IainT said:
Given the usual level of drunkenness on a Friday night I'd assume there was a priority to have officers in the area. Seems like you'd lower presence during quiet times (Tuesday afternoon maybe) and have plod around when and where they're needed.
You can't deploy people who don't exist. Cuts to Policing is now approaching 30%. Even Cameron's lapdog Tom Winsor, the axman of Policing, says it's gone too far. The only thing you get for less....is less.
PolFed state four after 04:00 on weekends: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-28...
Whether things have got worse since then, who knows?
Whether things have got worse since then, who knows?
What does Gwent's policy on restraint use say about prophylactics?
Would getting a dose require a visit to Occupational Health and getting signed off?
Regarding my tendencies to float and sometimes need corrective action with a whisk, I am probably not as offended as a female detainee that has her piercings commented on by a police officer that thinks having sex with detainees while on duty counts as upholding the law.
Ah well, I am sure he's now well qualified to now get a job in the private sector at the detention centre for asylum seekers and illegal immigrants that former Police Officer John Vine QPM and now Independent Chief Inspector of Borders and Immigration could be concerned about.
A police officer behaving like some private sector goon? Surely not!
Would getting a dose require a visit to Occupational Health and getting signed off?
Regarding my tendencies to float and sometimes need corrective action with a whisk, I am probably not as offended as a female detainee that has her piercings commented on by a police officer that thinks having sex with detainees while on duty counts as upholding the law.
Ah well, I am sure he's now well qualified to now get a job in the private sector at the detention centre for asylum seekers and illegal immigrants that former Police Officer John Vine QPM and now Independent Chief Inspector of Borders and Immigration could be concerned about.
A police officer behaving like some private sector goon? Surely not!
Edited by carinaman on Thursday 21st August 13:07
Elroy Blue said:
You can't deploy people who don't exist.
Cuts to Policing is now approaching 30%. Even Cameron's lapdog Tom Winsor, the axman of Policing, says it's gone too far. The only thing you get for less....is less.
YepCuts to Policing is now approaching 30%. Even Cameron's lapdog Tom Winsor, the axman of Policing, says it's gone too far. The only thing you get for less....is less.
Real life experience from me
5 years ago, team of 45 to respond to 999 calls and we did a decent job.
3 months ago when I moved to another dept the same team had dropped to 17 and we're doing a s
t job through no fault of their own. You can only spread resources so thin.The area policed was a large city with it'd suburbs. Consider all the domestics, burglaries etc that happen outside the city centre and that leaves you with maybe one or two officers and more often than not zero officers.
It's very bad times...
IainT said:
tuffer said:
IainT said:
tuffer said:
one was the only officer on duty for Manchester City center on a Friday night a few weeks back......That is pretty scary.
I find that very very hard to believe, was using hyperbole to make a point?tuffer said:
Well he had to go to a pub where a lunatic was trashing the joint and had just ripped the jukebox off the wall. Given his situation he decided on a new approach and walked in casually and asked the lunatic if he wouldn't mind getting in the back of the wagon parked outside....The response was "seeing as you asked nicely rather than being a c@nt, I will".......My mate slammed the cage shut pretty sharpish once he was in.
I find understatement quite effective in some situations. You do indirectly raise an interesting point about risk. Backing up is a lot more scarce than it was in my experience. To the degree newer officers don't expect it, when only a few years ago it was standard. Too many jobs for too few people create this situation.
Anyway, the issue here is if you think the risk is raised for officers, which is it, it's small in comparison compared to how is it for the subject. 2 or 3 officers to restrain someone means it can be done safety and to minimise injury to the person who is being arrested. I've always liked that about policing over here is that we do try not to hurt those trying to hurt us. In a one on one situation, a lot more force needs to be used to ensure the officer comes out on top. I have no personal issue with this, but I'd prefer to option nearly all of the time to use less force.
Greendubber said:
carinaman said:
The cutbacks didn't stop that officer in Gwent getting inside a detainee did it? I hope she got breakfast after that.
You can't help yourself can you?
Greendubber, I should show you some empathy given some off duty West Mids. officer has just been done for assault on your patch. He has to pay £1,000 by early Sept.?
And your patch is also Ann Widdecombe's patch so we're back to page one of the thread, gone full circle and not in the least tangential.
Edited by carinaman on Thursday 21st August 14:38
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