"What has happened to our police force?"
Discussion
Derek Smith said:
A cousin of mine became an aide to CID in the Mets around the early 70s and was told to arrest a specific person for 'doors or cars'. i.e. go to court with the sole evidence that he had seen the chap trying car doors or doors to premises. The person picked on would be a CRO and would have to accept it. Real respect. The courts knew it was all corrupt and did nothing about it. My cousin refused and was returned to uniform.
Guys I worked with who policed in the early 80s said how they literally left people in the cells for days until they were ready to confess. It didn't matter whether or not they had done it. Another told me how he was surprised how many blank interview pages he had the suspect sign on his first day so they could so they could 'detect' lots of crimes once the suspect was released.
The things I get told went on are beyond my comprehension.
Rovinghawk said:
I'm too young to answer your question re 1980.
Instead I'll ask this: when wrongdoing is discovered, is the offender ostracised & expelled or is he supported? What effect will this have on reputation?
14 new PCSOs got binned off for cheating on an informal exam. Now that's not cheap. I think that's a fair reflection of the misconduct system. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-27664571Instead I'll ask this: when wrongdoing is discovered, is the offender ostracised & expelled or is he supported? What effect will this have on reputation?
The CPS dropping case after case for seemingly no good reason and the soft-touch sentencing when offenders do end up in court is the number one reason for people losing faith in the Police in my experience.
Nothing to do with the Police of course as mere evidence gatherers but it is soul destroying for both the Officers involved and the victims when these scrotes walk free with yet another £20 fine and a slap on the wrist when everyone knows they should be behind bars.
Nothing to do with the Police of course as mere evidence gatherers but it is soul destroying for both the Officers involved and the victims when these scrotes walk free with yet another £20 fine and a slap on the wrist when everyone knows they should be behind bars.
Possibly one BIB blokes will recognise. We had one beat SGT who had a theory ,that somewhere upstairs in the GODS, there lay an ideas cupboard, possibly in a Supt's office. Once a month senior officers met for a conference on the important policing principles of the coming month ,and one officer opened the cupboard. What ever idea that fell out was the accepted policy for the coming month. We formed a residents association with our County Councillor ( on police committee) on board and he ,with aid of MP lit a fire under local police HQ. We had senior officers of all ranks attend our meetings , but it seemed this was a step to promotion, as we only saw them once or twice before we got a new face. But the one constant, with a constant approach was the beat SGT. In a previous post, I mentioned dealers and lack of evidence. Old Sgt Don, listened ,and one day we had a show of strength.He'd gathered a group of Specials for a special beat show. And ,I learned later, that the parking spot chosen to leave the minibus was not a random one. he knew( couldn't prove) that certain houses in sight of van were dealing. But park the van there in full view with a special in the driver seat for an hour or two and no customers ,and dealers panicked in case someone had evidence. OLD FASHIONED POLICING. It worked, in months, we saw the tenants up sticks and move. Problem is that Don has either retired or been subject to the stupid cost cutting exercise and the other SGT has been promoted and had the senior officers lobotomy.
La Liga said:
4 new PCSOs got binned off for cheating on an informal exam. Now that's not cheap. I think that's a fair reflection of the misconduct system. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-27664571
Good. It would possibly help restore trust if such house-cleaning exercises were better publicised.What I was referring to, though, was the less formal closing of ranks- the support for the lying Fed Reps or the Peterlee custody staff would illustrate my point better.
When the Iraq war started there was a great deal of 'Not in my name' protest- something similar against the naughty b
ds would show the rest in better contrast.La Liga said:
Guys I worked with who policed in the early 80s said how they literally left people in the cells for days until they were ready to confess. It didn't matter whether or not they had done it.
Another told me how he was surprised how many blank interview pages he had the suspect sign on his first day so they could so they could 'detect' lots of crimes once the suspect was released.
The things I get told went on are beyond my comprehension.
When I was gaoler I once got a note through to say that prisoner in cell 5 was not to have any food, That would have been breakfast and lunch. the night gaoler had moved the bloke to different cell and I just acted a bit thick when the detective came down. I was good at that.Another told me how he was surprised how many blank interview pages he had the suspect sign on his first day so they could so they could 'detect' lots of crimes once the suspect was released.
The things I get told went on are beyond my comprehension.
Mk3Spitfire said:
La Liga said:
think he's being sarcastic.
However, here's some statistical indication that the group you know is not inline with national views. Perhaps you need a more balanced group
Ask the group why prisons are full if the police are useless. Someone has to put them there, right?
Hooli?!However, here's some statistical indication that the group you know is not inline with national views. Perhaps you need a more balanced group
Ask the group why prisons are full if the police are useless. Someone has to put them there, right?
I see the evidence, but it's not backed up with the people I know. I wonder how they picked who to ask?
Hooli said:
Mk3Spitfire said:
La Liga said:
think he's being sarcastic.
However, here's some statistical indication that the group you know is not inline with national views. Perhaps you need a more balanced group
Ask the group why prisons are full if the police are useless. Someone has to put them there, right?
Hooli?!However, here's some statistical indication that the group you know is not inline with national views. Perhaps you need a more balanced group
Ask the group why prisons are full if the police are useless. Someone has to put them there, right?
I see the evidence, but it's not backed up with the people I know. I wonder how they picked who to ask?
La Liga said:
"The survey uses random probability sampling to ensure the sample of respondents is representative of the population of London............"
You indicated this was a national view. I'd respectfully suggest that this survey doesn't support that statement.La Liga said:
Perhaps you need a more balanced group
Likewise? Edited by Rovinghawk on Tuesday 3rd June 13:53
Mk3Spitfire said:
I see the evidence, but it's not backed up with the people I know./quote]
So you would only accept the evidence as evidence...if it was from a survey of people you knew?
That evidence has been shown to be misrepresented, even if only accidentally. Doubting it is therefore not unreasonable.So you would only accept the evidence as evidence...if it was from a survey of people you knew?
Rovinghawk said:
You indicated this was a national view. I'd respectfully suggest that this survey doesn't support that statement.
I indicated it because it's on the graph. The blue line is national data. The orange line is Met data only who increase the sample size in their area. Both lines reach the same conclusions, namely, having a group of people (of a reasonable size to reduce the probability of extreme results) who all fall into the 40% and below group is atypical.
To answer Hooli's Q about who is chosen for the national survey, The office for national statistics states the following: "In 2012/13 approximately 50,000 households will be selected to take part in this research. These households are chosen at random from the Royal Mail's list of addresses. Interviewers do not know who lives at the address until they visit it."
When people are asked to think about something properly they're more likely to move further away from instinctive and heavily-biased answers.
I throw a few questions/point in for the BiB/anyone to answer:
There have been a few posts on here about lack of manpower.
Last sunday evening a domestic incident occurred, just up the road from where I live, the police turned with 2 vans, 1 marked car and 1 plain car.
Being a nosey git I watched out of my bedroom window and counted at least 15 police or PCSO.
Speaking with a neighbour today I found out that the people involved are well known to the police and are not 'that' bad!
So if the police are that undermanned how can they spare that much resources for a domestic?
BTW the area is YO43.
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Do people think that if the traffic police were a separate force would the real (for want of a better way to describe them!) police get more respect from the public?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-...
Should we be asked to do this by the police? If they are short of money should they be using money implementing these things?
There have been a few posts on here about lack of manpower.
Last sunday evening a domestic incident occurred, just up the road from where I live, the police turned with 2 vans, 1 marked car and 1 plain car.
Being a nosey git I watched out of my bedroom window and counted at least 15 police or PCSO.
Speaking with a neighbour today I found out that the people involved are well known to the police and are not 'that' bad!
So if the police are that undermanned how can they spare that much resources for a domestic?
BTW the area is YO43.
.............
Do people think that if the traffic police were a separate force would the real (for want of a better way to describe them!) police get more respect from the public?
.....................
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-...
Should we be asked to do this by the police? If they are short of money should they be using money implementing these things?
La Liga said:
indicated it because it's on the graph.
The blue line is national data. The orange line is Met data only who increase the sample size in their area.
That's not what it says on the graph. It says 'good job local' and some acronyms. You've then quoted a London representation but indicated it's a national survey.The blue line is national data. The orange line is Met data only who increase the sample size in their area.
If you're going to quote statistics, could they please be clear and unambiguous? If not, then they're worthless, misleading and actually undermine any point you wish to make.
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