From 1 October 2014, the paper tax disc will no longer need
Discussion
Known this was coming for a while, but I'm sure some people aren't aware and so there could well be lots of lovely confusion for a while. What fun
When it was first announced the obvious thought was how the refunds and new owner paying were going to work and whether our government friends were going to be double dipping and collecting tax form both parties in the month of the sale. I hadn't seen any clarification yet and it's not absolutely explicit in that link but it looks that way:
When it was first announced the obvious thought was how the refunds and new owner paying were going to work and whether our government friends were going to be double dipping and collecting tax form both parties in the month of the sale. I hadn't seen any clarification yet and it's not absolutely explicit in that link but it looks that way:
Linky said:
If you sell a vehicle after 1 October and you have notified DVLA, you will automatically get a refund for any full calendar months left on the vehicle tax.
andLinky said:
From 1 October, when you buy a vehicle, the vehicle tax will no longer be transferred with the vehicle. You will need to get new vehicle tax before you can use the vehicle.
Quelle surprise. Cheeky fkers.When you sell a car you have to cash in your current tax and the new owner has to buy their own.
So when you sell your car you wont get refunded the current months tax and the new owner will have to pay for the current month also. Its win win for DVLA/gov as they will be getting this extra months tax.
So when you sell your car you wont get refunded the current months tax and the new owner will have to pay for the current month also. Its win win for DVLA/gov as they will be getting this extra months tax.
Blackpuddin said:
I nearly bought a tax disc holder for my bike on the weekend before some kindly gent waiting to pay for his stuff pointed this out to me. Saved me a tenner. Wondered why they were on discount.
Jesus wept. What kind of tax disc holder is discounted to a tenner...? I'd want the disc included...Isn't this going to be a right hassle for private sales? So you have to sell the car, do the paperwork, then the buyer must tax the car before he/she can take it away? Loads of potential for this to be a problem.
The only way to be able to buy and drive away will be to have an immediate online system. This will therefore also have to have an immediate online change of RK system too - otherwise it is totally pointless.
Plus, the MID takes a good 24h to update in my experience (does it happen at all over the weekend?). So presumably the insurance check 9 times out of 10 will be validated against the old owner's insurance policy? And I guess that a big reason behind this is to make sure all cars are insured right away after purchase.
If it's not all immediate and on-line, then it will be a true nightmare. Even if it is, some people are not very computer savvy, so wont do it online. That means trips to the post office, 9-5 Mon-Fri only, etc. Or the website will be down. Etc.
Surely this plan has more holes than swiss cheese?
EDIT: Should have probably read the article first. Seems it is immediate and online, but using the new keeper supplement only, and no mention of MID at all. So still seems to give no real benefit at all - just potential hassle.
The only way to be able to buy and drive away will be to have an immediate online system. This will therefore also have to have an immediate online change of RK system too - otherwise it is totally pointless.
Plus, the MID takes a good 24h to update in my experience (does it happen at all over the weekend?). So presumably the insurance check 9 times out of 10 will be validated against the old owner's insurance policy? And I guess that a big reason behind this is to make sure all cars are insured right away after purchase.
If it's not all immediate and on-line, then it will be a true nightmare. Even if it is, some people are not very computer savvy, so wont do it online. That means trips to the post office, 9-5 Mon-Fri only, etc. Or the website will be down. Etc.
Surely this plan has more holes than swiss cheese?
EDIT: Should have probably read the article first. Seems it is immediate and online, but using the new keeper supplement only, and no mention of MID at all. So still seems to give no real benefit at all - just potential hassle.
Edited by RedSwede on Thursday 19th June 13:59
TooMany2cvs said:
Blackpuddin said:
I nearly bought a tax disc holder for my bike on the weekend before some kindly gent waiting to pay for his stuff pointed this out to me. Saved me a tenner. Wondered why they were on discount.
Jesus wept. What kind of tax disc holder is discounted to a tenner...? I'd want the disc included...SK425 said:
Known this was coming for a while, but I'm sure some people aren't aware and so there could well be lots of lovely confusion for a while. What fun
When it was first announced the obvious thought was how the refunds and new owner paying were going to work and whether our government friends were going to be double dipping and collecting tax form both parties in the month of the sale. I hadn't seen any clarification yet and it's not absolutely explicit in that link but it looks that way:
now i hadn't though of that- wkers
my policeman friend thinks it's a st idea as if he is strolling around or stops someone and the tax is not in date 9 times out of 10 there are other issues with the driver.
When it was first announced the obvious thought was how the refunds and new owner paying were going to work and whether our government friends were going to be double dipping and collecting tax form both parties in the month of the sale. I hadn't seen any clarification yet and it's not absolutely explicit in that link but it looks that way:
Linky said:
If you sell a vehicle after 1 October and you have notified DVLA, you will automatically get a refund for any full calendar months left on the vehicle tax.
andLinky said:
From 1 October, when you buy a vehicle, the vehicle tax will no longer be transferred with the vehicle. You will need to get new vehicle tax before you can use the vehicle.
Quelle surprise. Cheeky fkers.now i hadn't though of that- wkers
my policeman friend thinks it's a st idea as if he is strolling around or stops someone and the tax is not in date 9 times out of 10 there are other issues with the driver.
Another cock up by a government department. They just don't think things through.
MID is not foolproof or immediate. It can take up to 7 days for an insurance company to submit a reg number. If your insurance doesn't show up on MID you won't be able to tax it online. Buying a car on a weekend and driving it immediately will be virtually impossible if you stick to their regulations about the buyer taxing it.
However as the DVLA are only refunding complete months the car will still be taxed for the month when bought. As there will be no disc in the screen the Bib will not be able to tell it is not taxed as DVLA take weeks to process refunds so it will still show up as taxed.
It's just another screw the motorist plan. As the average month's tax is £15-20 the government hopes to rake it a few quid.
MID is not foolproof or immediate. It can take up to 7 days for an insurance company to submit a reg number. If your insurance doesn't show up on MID you won't be able to tax it online. Buying a car on a weekend and driving it immediately will be virtually impossible if you stick to their regulations about the buyer taxing it.
However as the DVLA are only refunding complete months the car will still be taxed for the month when bought. As there will be no disc in the screen the Bib will not be able to tell it is not taxed as DVLA take weeks to process refunds so it will still show up as taxed.
It's just another screw the motorist plan. As the average month's tax is £15-20 the government hopes to rake it a few quid.
ging84 said:
Jagmanv12 said:
Another cock up by a government department. They just don't think things through.
MID is not foolproof or immediate. It can take up to 7 days for an insurance company to submit blah blah blah
have you tax a car recentlyMID is not foolproof or immediate. It can take up to 7 days for an insurance company to submit blah blah blah
the insurance requirement has already been removed
rambo19 said:
ging84 said:
Jagmanv12 said:
Another cock up by a government department. They just don't think things through.
MID is not foolproof or immediate. It can take up to 7 days for an insurance company to submit blah blah blah
have you tax a car recentlyMID is not foolproof or immediate. It can take up to 7 days for an insurance company to submit blah blah blah
the insurance requirement has already been removed
They let you buy the tax without insurance evidence, and then check 7 days later and can find none so fine you for having a taxed uninsured vehicle.
Win. Win.
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