Parking dispute
Discussion
Every time you do anything conciliatory you weaken your position. Tell your sons solicitor he has allowed him to buy a property with a problem and get him to write a letter FOC. Tell her to move her car off your land and tell her if she believes she has a claim to get her solicitor to put it in writing.
She is trying it on and you are pandering to her, stop it.
She is trying it on and you are pandering to her, stop it.
A friend of mine once got in a neighbourly dispute with an old retired couple looked like they would be a push over in their 60s-70s.
However he found they were both evil and had all day at home to make his life a misery. The dispute arose from them leaving stuff on a communal access garden in a property were he had the upstairs flat and they had the downstairs flat, was a large house converted. He would come home in the dark and they would leave their gardening materials all over the path and one day he tripped over them, it had arch ways etc. He asked really nicely could they not leave stuff on the path. The woman went mental and said her husband had a heart disorder and had to stop when it all got to much, so no basically.
One day he came home and moved a few things off the path and put them neatly by the side of their door. As far as they were concerned this was a deceleration of war and they were a nightmare from here on.
He would come home to find roting meet in his doorway. They keyed his car and then anyone who visited him, police wouldnt do much. His mail would be found torn up etc, they really were evil. He rented it and decided to move out. Turns out the lady who owned upstairs had to change builder half way the the works as this couple made life hell for the builders. When he mentioned the problems he was having to the similarly aged landlady she said they can be a nightmare dear just don't upset them.
Just saying before you enter into war with someone who appears to have alot of free time and be lonely old lady think as neighbourly dispute cans escalate quickly.
I helped him move out and we open the down stairs and come down with furniture and the old witch would pop out and shut it and disappear into her flat again they really were quite mad.
Finally he moved out and came back the last day to check everything and collect his mail. He was attacked from behind by the old dear who hit him over the head with a pan and told him didn't live there any more. Police would not charge her as it was against public interest to charge a mad old dear!
However he found they were both evil and had all day at home to make his life a misery. The dispute arose from them leaving stuff on a communal access garden in a property were he had the upstairs flat and they had the downstairs flat, was a large house converted. He would come home in the dark and they would leave their gardening materials all over the path and one day he tripped over them, it had arch ways etc. He asked really nicely could they not leave stuff on the path. The woman went mental and said her husband had a heart disorder and had to stop when it all got to much, so no basically.
One day he came home and moved a few things off the path and put them neatly by the side of their door. As far as they were concerned this was a deceleration of war and they were a nightmare from here on.
He would come home to find roting meet in his doorway. They keyed his car and then anyone who visited him, police wouldnt do much. His mail would be found torn up etc, they really were evil. He rented it and decided to move out. Turns out the lady who owned upstairs had to change builder half way the the works as this couple made life hell for the builders. When he mentioned the problems he was having to the similarly aged landlady she said they can be a nightmare dear just don't upset them.
Just saying before you enter into war with someone who appears to have alot of free time and be lonely old lady think as neighbourly dispute cans escalate quickly.
I helped him move out and we open the down stairs and come down with furniture and the old witch would pop out and shut it and disappear into her flat again they really were quite mad.
Finally he moved out and came back the last day to check everything and collect his mail. He was attacked from behind by the old dear who hit him over the head with a pan and told him didn't live there any more. Police would not charge her as it was against public interest to charge a mad old dear!
Edited by jbsportstech on Saturday 21st June 10:19
Edited by jbsportstech on Saturday 21st June 10:20
I can't believe people are saying 'bung her some money for the concrete and/or dropped kerb'. Let's not forget that it has been to her advantage for '20 years' in that she has had free unhindered parking right next to her house. I reckon she has had more than her money's worth.
I think you should enforce your position to park there immediately (if necessary with locking posts as they are cheap enough). In the meantime as a previous poster said - involve your solicitor. They have an interest in sorting this out as otherwise they have missed a 'defect in title' for which they could potentially be responsible and as such should do it for free.
Ultimately I think it likely that Barretts solicitors will approach the previous vendors and ask them about what permissions were given and when. If the former vendors are stupid enough to confirm these arrangements then they will have sold to Barretts having lied by omission of pertinent facts on their sale particulars. Barretts sols will doubtless point this out and the legal ramifications. I think the previous vendors will state that it was only a temporary arrangement as they will want to avoid legal action against them.
Should be an interesting conversation with the Sols on monday morning!
As a side issue doubtless Mrs Neighbour is telling all the residents about this horrible new couple that have moved into the road. This could make for unpleasantness with all the neighbours and make life difficult. I should seek planning permission to build a small house in the gap - take the profit and move on.
I think you should enforce your position to park there immediately (if necessary with locking posts as they are cheap enough). In the meantime as a previous poster said - involve your solicitor. They have an interest in sorting this out as otherwise they have missed a 'defect in title' for which they could potentially be responsible and as such should do it for free.
Ultimately I think it likely that Barretts solicitors will approach the previous vendors and ask them about what permissions were given and when. If the former vendors are stupid enough to confirm these arrangements then they will have sold to Barretts having lied by omission of pertinent facts on their sale particulars. Barretts sols will doubtless point this out and the legal ramifications. I think the previous vendors will state that it was only a temporary arrangement as they will want to avoid legal action against them.
Should be an interesting conversation with the Sols on monday morning!
As a side issue doubtless Mrs Neighbour is telling all the residents about this horrible new couple that have moved into the road. This could make for unpleasantness with all the neighbours and make life difficult. I should seek planning permission to build a small house in the gap - take the profit and move on.
Lozw86 said:
I'd just stick a fence up and tell her to jog on
Whether the previous owner said she could park there or not is irrelevant. The property has been sold and now belongs to your son.
If it shuts her up give her a few hundred quid for the concrete
And the two grand for the cost of a drop kerb. Whether the previous owner said she could park there or not is irrelevant. The property has been sold and now belongs to your son.
If it shuts her up give her a few hundred quid for the concrete
Give her nothing
TOPTON said:
She says that she paid to concrete "her" side and to get the dropped curb years ago also.
If she paid to improve the land (concrete) then the risk of her being able to claim Propriety Estoppel increases. For her to change her story and then add in things like that implies that she is getting some advice from somewhere.73mark said:
And the two grand for the cost of a drop kerb.
This saga gets better and better. It has just occurred to me that she would have had to apply to the relevant Highway Authority for a permit to construct it. She will also have needed planning permission from the local authority (confirmed by checking their webpage!). If she didn't own the land to which access was sought how the 
did she manage to obtain consent?Red Devil said:
73mark said:
And the two grand for the cost of a drop kerb.
This saga gets better and better. It has just occurred to me that she would have had to apply to the relevant Highway Authority for a permit to construct it. She will also have needed planning permission from the local authority (confirmed by checking their webpage!). If she didn't own the land to which access was sought how the did she manage to obtain consent?Having said that many people drop kerbs without permission.
This definately one for Op's sons solicitor and and legal insurance he has on his household policy
jbsportstech said:
A friend of mine once got in a neighbourly dispute with an old retired couple looked like they would be a push over in their 60s-70s.
However he found they were both evil and had all day at home to make his life a misery. The dispute arose from them leaving stuff on a communal access garden in a property were he had the upstairs flat and they had the downstairs flat, was a large house converted. He would come home in the dark and they would leave their gardening materials all over the path and one day he tripped over them, it had arch ways etc. He asked really nicely could they not leave stuff on the path. The woman went mental and said her husband had a heart disorder and had to stop when it all got to much, so no basically.
One day he came home and moved a few things off the path and put them neatly by the side of their door. As far as they were concerned this was a deceleration of war and they were a nightmare from here on.
He would come home to find roting meet in his doorway. They keyed his car and then anyone who visited him, police wouldnt do much. His mail would be found torn up etc, they really were evil. He rented it and decided to move out. Turns out the lady who owned upstairs had to change builder half way the the works as this couple made life hell for the builders. When he mentioned the problems he was having to the similarly aged landlady she said they can be a nightmare dear just don't upset them.
Just saying before you enter into war with someone who appears to have alot of free time and be lonely old lady think as neighbourly dispute cans escalate quickly.
I helped him move out and we open the down stairs and come down with furniture and the old witch would pop out and shut it and disappear into her flat again they really were quite mad.
Finally he moved out and came back the last day to check everything and collect his mail. He was attacked from behind by the old dear who hit him over the head with a pan and told him didn't live there any more. Police would not charge her as it was against public interest to charge a mad old dear!
Old people die all the time....However he found they were both evil and had all day at home to make his life a misery. The dispute arose from them leaving stuff on a communal access garden in a property were he had the upstairs flat and they had the downstairs flat, was a large house converted. He would come home in the dark and they would leave their gardening materials all over the path and one day he tripped over them, it had arch ways etc. He asked really nicely could they not leave stuff on the path. The woman went mental and said her husband had a heart disorder and had to stop when it all got to much, so no basically.
One day he came home and moved a few things off the path and put them neatly by the side of their door. As far as they were concerned this was a deceleration of war and they were a nightmare from here on.
He would come home to find roting meet in his doorway. They keyed his car and then anyone who visited him, police wouldnt do much. His mail would be found torn up etc, they really were evil. He rented it and decided to move out. Turns out the lady who owned upstairs had to change builder half way the the works as this couple made life hell for the builders. When he mentioned the problems he was having to the similarly aged landlady she said they can be a nightmare dear just don't upset them.
Just saying before you enter into war with someone who appears to have alot of free time and be lonely old lady think as neighbourly dispute cans escalate quickly.
I helped him move out and we open the down stairs and come down with furniture and the old witch would pop out and shut it and disappear into her flat again they really were quite mad.
Finally he moved out and came back the last day to check everything and collect his mail. He was attacked from behind by the old dear who hit him over the head with a pan and told him didn't live there any more. Police would not charge her as it was against public interest to charge a mad old dear!
Edited by jbsportstech on Saturday 21st June 10:19
Edited by jbsportstech on Saturday 21st June 10:20
elanfan said:
I can't believe people are saying 'bung her some money for the concrete and/or dropped kerb'. Let's not forget that it has been to her advantage for '20 years' in that she has had free unhindered parking right next to her house. I reckon she has had more than her money's worth.
I suggested this on page 2, if it makes it go away for less than the cost of a couple solicitors letter and leaves both sides feeling that they haven't got to go to war it would be a bargain. If the old dear says no then deny ever offering it and by all means spend thousands on lawyers or stick frozen salami up her exhaust pipe or something like that[/cliche].
Zoobeef said:
jbsportstech said:
A friend of mine once got in a neighbourly dispute with an old retired couple looked like they would be a push over in their 60s-70s.
However he found they were both evil and had all day at home to make his life a misery. The dispute arose from them leaving stuff on a communal access garden in a property were he had the upstairs flat and they had the downstairs flat, was a large house converted. He would come home in the dark and they would leave their gardening materials all over the path and one day he tripped over them, it had arch ways etc. He asked really nicely could they not leave stuff on the path. The woman went mental and said her husband had a heart disorder and had to stop when it all got to much, so no basically.
One day he came home and moved a few things off the path and put them neatly by the side of their door. As far as they were concerned this was a deceleration of war and they were a nightmare from here on.
He would come home to find roting meet in his doorway. They keyed his car and then anyone who visited him, police wouldnt do much. His mail would be found torn up etc, they really were evil. He rented it and decided to move out. Turns out the lady who owned upstairs had to change builder half way the the works as this couple made life hell for the builders. When he mentioned the problems he was having to the similarly aged landlady she said they can be a nightmare dear just don't upset them.
Just saying before you enter into war with someone who appears to have alot of free time and be lonely old lady think as neighbourly dispute cans escalate quickly.
I helped him move out and we open the down stairs and come down with furniture and the old witch would pop out and shut it and disappear into her flat again they really were quite mad.
Finally he moved out and came back the last day to check everything and collect his mail. He was attacked from behind by the old dear who hit him over the head with a pan and told him didn't live there any more. Police would not charge her as it was against public interest to charge a mad old dear!
Old people die all the time....However he found they were both evil and had all day at home to make his life a misery. The dispute arose from them leaving stuff on a communal access garden in a property were he had the upstairs flat and they had the downstairs flat, was a large house converted. He would come home in the dark and they would leave their gardening materials all over the path and one day he tripped over them, it had arch ways etc. He asked really nicely could they not leave stuff on the path. The woman went mental and said her husband had a heart disorder and had to stop when it all got to much, so no basically.
One day he came home and moved a few things off the path and put them neatly by the side of their door. As far as they were concerned this was a deceleration of war and they were a nightmare from here on.
He would come home to find roting meet in his doorway. They keyed his car and then anyone who visited him, police wouldnt do much. His mail would be found torn up etc, they really were evil. He rented it and decided to move out. Turns out the lady who owned upstairs had to change builder half way the the works as this couple made life hell for the builders. When he mentioned the problems he was having to the similarly aged landlady she said they can be a nightmare dear just don't upset them.
Just saying before you enter into war with someone who appears to have alot of free time and be lonely old lady think as neighbourly dispute cans escalate quickly.
I helped him move out and we open the down stairs and come down with furniture and the old witch would pop out and shut it and disappear into her flat again they really were quite mad.
Finally he moved out and came back the last day to check everything and collect his mail. He was attacked from behind by the old dear who hit him over the head with a pan and told him didn't live there any more. Police would not charge her as it was against public interest to charge a mad old dear!
Edited by jbsportstech on Saturday 21st June 10:19
Edited by jbsportstech on Saturday 21st June 10:20
My first thought we be to contact the solicitor who handled the purchase and ask them to confirm exactly what was bought and what was declared by the seller during the pre-sale period. If the conveyancing solicitor is any good then they should be able to clarify the situation, but if the purchasers used the cheapest possible conveyancers then they probably won't get much help.
What has become of this section of Pistonheads? 
In the past, these sort of threads used to be filled with useful, sensible information about how to deal with the situation.
Now they fill up with people advising confrontation and criminal damage to the other persons property!
It's quite sad to see how the mental attitude and quality of the posters on here has deteriorated over the years!
In the past, these sort of threads used to be filled with useful, sensible information about how to deal with the situation.
Now they fill up with people advising confrontation and criminal damage to the other persons property!
It's quite sad to see how the mental attitude and quality of the posters on here has deteriorated over the years!
TOPTON said:
A recap--
It is number 67, mrs neighbour is on the left at 66.
House was bought with vacant possession from Barratt Homes, so we never got to speak to previous owner.
Previous owner lived there since 2011, before that Mr.M lived there for 20+ years. He bought the land and registered it to 67.
It was Mr.M that supposedly gave her permission (she then concreted it, no proof of this) and previous owner didn't mind either (so I'm told, no proof)
The house was bought, contracts signed etc on 11/06/14 with land registry showing son as title holders for all the land including double width car parking. No mention of any parking issues.
Mrs old lady told me on our first viewing " I'm not sure who owns this half, so I've been parking there" She is now denying saying that to me.
Obviously it's the weekend and nothing can be done yet.
Someone suggested getting mortgage company involved because ultimately it is their house/land and someone is trying to claim part of it. Is that a thing to do????
Point of order, the mortgage provider does not own the hiuse, your son does, he just has a loan secured on it. It is number 67, mrs neighbour is on the left at 66.
House was bought with vacant possession from Barratt Homes, so we never got to speak to previous owner.
Previous owner lived there since 2011, before that Mr.M lived there for 20+ years. He bought the land and registered it to 67.
It was Mr.M that supposedly gave her permission (she then concreted it, no proof of this) and previous owner didn't mind either (so I'm told, no proof)
The house was bought, contracts signed etc on 11/06/14 with land registry showing son as title holders for all the land including double width car parking. No mention of any parking issues.
Mrs old lady told me on our first viewing " I'm not sure who owns this half, so I've been parking there" She is now denying saying that to me.
Obviously it's the weekend and nothing can be done yet.
Someone suggested getting mortgage company involved because ultimately it is their house/land and someone is trying to claim part of it. Is that a thing to do????
Edited by TOPTON on Saturday 21st June 08:21
Edited by TOPTON on Saturday 21st June 08:45
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