Dual liner speed limit grey area
Discussion
Nigel Worc's said:
As ever the rules in this country tend to be nonesense.
I know you like the van stuff, from an interested perspective, have you seen my thread on the GB Domestic rules, where without any EU rules in place the British have decided that the driver of a van of less than 3.5 tons has less of a duty cycle than those over 3.5 tons covered by EU legislation ?
It's not that the 'British have decided', more that it's old rules that pre-date the European rules by some considerable time. The rules are decades old. I know you like the van stuff, from an interested perspective, have you seen my thread on the GB Domestic rules, where without any EU rules in place the British have decided that the driver of a van of less than 3.5 tons has less of a duty cycle than those over 3.5 tons covered by EU legislation ?
That's not to dispute that the rules need a complete working over though.
FiF said:
If by machines you are referring to the automatons sitting at a computer in the ticket processing office they can't tell the difference between a Glasgow milk float and a saloon car,
No, I just meant cameras, reporting to a database, where the database wont be aware of "Qualifying £192+VAT optional extras" and hence issue a ticket. And regardless of the eventual outcome, it'd still be a hassle for the owner/driver. (Plus, I wouldnt be suprised if "Black Boxes", compulsory via the back door of significant premium variances are round the corner too)
And hence as someone actively looking for a DPV to replace my aged but perfectly functional Navara, its a warning flag for incoming hassle - which I dont need - and so in terms of my purchasing decsion, no matter how cool a SportX Dualiner is, I'm probably "out", sale lost, move on. etc. (and begin research on which of the pickups aren't too heavy...)
On here http://www.sussexsaferroads.gov.uk/costs/safer-for... right at the bottom it says-
"We receive regular queries with regards to the Mercedes Vito, which if it fits the above is a DPV – does your vehicle fit the criteria for a Dual Purpose Vehicle?"
"We receive regular queries with regards to the Mercedes Vito, which if it fits the above is a DPV – does your vehicle fit the criteria for a Dual Purpose Vehicle?"
Super Slo Mo said:
Nigel Worc's said:
As ever the rules in this country tend to be nonesense.
I know you like the van stuff, from an interested perspective, have you seen my thread on the GB Domestic rules, where without any EU rules in place the British have decided that the driver of a van of less than 3.5 tons has less of a duty cycle than those over 3.5 tons covered by EU legislation ?
It's not that the 'British have decided', more that it's old rules that pre-date the European rules by some considerable time. The rules are decades old. I know you like the van stuff, from an interested perspective, have you seen my thread on the GB Domestic rules, where without any EU rules in place the British have decided that the driver of a van of less than 3.5 tons has less of a duty cycle than those over 3.5 tons covered by EU legislation ?
That's not to dispute that the rules need a complete working over though.
Those querying the difference between EU regs and UK regs are actually arguing in favour of greater legal harmonisation between the EU & the UK, right?
TooMany2cvs said:
Super Slo Mo said:
Nigel Worc's said:
As ever the rules in this country tend to be nonesense.
I know you like the van stuff, from an interested perspective, have you seen my thread on the GB Domestic rules, where without any EU rules in place the British have decided that the driver of a van of less than 3.5 tons has less of a duty cycle than those over 3.5 tons covered by EU legislation ?
It's not that the 'British have decided', more that it's old rules that pre-date the European rules by some considerable time. The rules are decades old. I know you like the van stuff, from an interested perspective, have you seen my thread on the GB Domestic rules, where without any EU rules in place the British have decided that the driver of a van of less than 3.5 tons has less of a duty cycle than those over 3.5 tons covered by EU legislation ?
That's not to dispute that the rules need a complete working over though.
Those querying the difference between EU regs and UK regs are actually arguing in favour of greater legal harmonisation between the EU & the UK, right?
Toltec said:
On here http://www.sussexsaferroads.gov.uk/costs/safer-for... right at the bottom it says-
"We receive regular queries with regards to the Mercedes Vito, which if it fits the above is a DPV – does your vehicle fit the criteria for a Dual Purpose Vehicle?"
Good spot. Thanks for posting. "We receive regular queries with regards to the Mercedes Vito, which if it fits the above is a DPV – does your vehicle fit the criteria for a Dual Purpose Vehicle?"
FiF said:
Not necessarily but that may be a consequence. I don't understand the detail rules around this across the entire EU. If you do then please enlighten us.
It's quite simple. Every EU country sets its own laws, but there are some directives, which harmonise and standardise certain cross-border areas, that come from the EU and are incorporated into each country's laws. This isn't one, at the moment, nor is it - afaia - one which might be.Many people think there's too many of those, but this thread seems to have taken a turn towards requesting more. I'm just wondering if that's purely and simply around fine detail of speed limit groupings, for some reason, or if those people are thinking more widely, too...
I think that so far people have said it's all too complicated in many areas and needs sorting.
The government has already announced that they intend to alter the rules for certain goods vehicles so why not review the whole shebang?
That's all that people have so far requested.
The question now arises of how should this be done.
Clearly the UK could make this review in complete isolation.
It could also review what are the rules in other countries. The rest of It the EU is a good starting point.
In general the fullness of time it may be that some common ground can be found, on the other hand that might not be the case.
One hopes that a sensible and pragmatic solution is found that is demonstrably the common sense solution.
If that solution is a cross border directive then so be it.
Personally there are so many conflicting interests that such a directive hasn't got a hope in hell but nothing should be ruled in or out at this stage.
The government has already announced that they intend to alter the rules for certain goods vehicles so why not review the whole shebang?
That's all that people have so far requested.
The question now arises of how should this be done.
Clearly the UK could make this review in complete isolation.
It could also review what are the rules in other countries. The rest of It the EU is a good starting point.
In general the fullness of time it may be that some common ground can be found, on the other hand that might not be the case.
One hopes that a sensible and pragmatic solution is found that is demonstrably the common sense solution.
If that solution is a cross border directive then so be it.
Personally there are so many conflicting interests that such a directive hasn't got a hope in hell but nothing should be ruled in or out at this stage.
FiF said:
Toltec said:
On here http://www.sussexsaferroads.gov.uk/costs/safer-for... right at the bottom it says-
"We receive regular queries with regards to the Mercedes Vito, which if it fits the above is a DPV – does your vehicle fit the criteria for a Dual Purpose Vehicle?"
Good spot. Thanks for posting. "We receive regular queries with regards to the Mercedes Vito, which if it fits the above is a DPV – does your vehicle fit the criteria for a Dual Purpose Vehicle?"
The advice of sending the correspondence and photos of my vehicle, along with the above link will be my next course of action.................... mph1977 said:
byt the point he is still flashing you how many times had the driver and/or operator indicated it was you that wished to speak to ?
the fact you accelerated to overtake AFTER you were signalled to stop rather than maintaining or reducing speed is behaviour which suggests you may be liable to fail to stop ...
Nah you've misread it - the cop didn't want to pull me over, he wanted me to move out of the way. The plod only started flashing his headlights when I was fractionally past the car I was over taking. I then stuck the indicator on as I was exiting the carriageway shortly and didn't have time to pull over to let him past and get back in the right hand lane for the slip road. He stopped flashing but continued to sit right up my arse. I was expecting him to follow me off the carriageway but he just continued on his way, presumably at the 90+ mph he was doing without his blues on.the fact you accelerated to overtake AFTER you were signalled to stop rather than maintaining or reducing speed is behaviour which suggests you may be liable to fail to stop ...
Edited by Boydie88 on Thursday 7th August 09:04
With these feet said:
Im going to stick my Transit on the race scales - if it comes in under weight theres no reason why it shouldnt be classed as a DPV. Plus I live in East Sussex so I will carry a copy of they around.....
Its the plated weight, rather than the true weight, but I guess you gest!! I have sent all the paper work, complete with letter explaining my situation and argument, email correspondence (or lack of it from them) photos and forms, we shall see..................SS2. said:
wessexrfc said:
..only other option was to to reclassify my vehicle with the DVLA and I couldn't be bothered with the hassle and potential vat implications that could entail.
Reclassification of the vehicle with DVLA wouldn't have been necessary.wessexrfc said:
SS2. said:
wessexrfc said:
..only other option was to to reclassify my vehicle with the DVLA and I couldn't be bothered with the hassle and potential vat implications that could entail.
Reclassification of the vehicle with DVLA wouldn't have been necessary.Haven't we covered this already ??
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