Review of Duggan inquest

[anonymous-user]

Those cases are very different to the Duggan case. None of them was going about armed, or with people who were armed. Try to set aside pre judgment and look at the analysis of what happened set out by Levesom.

[pork911]

Corpulent Tosser said:

The verdict was right - Result

A 'wrong un' was removed from society - an added bonus.

Of course had he not been a 'wrong un' in the first place none of it would have happened.

bizarre.

[Eclassy]

If you had bothered to read my earlier post, you would see that I uncharecteristically support the police in their actions against Duggan.

My later post was a direct reply to someone who suggested that you have to be a wrong un to get shot by the police.

[heebeegeetee]

Eclassy said:

If you had bothered to read my earlier post, you would see that I uncharecteristically support the police in their actions against Duggan.

My later post was a direct reply to someone who suggested that you have to be a wrong un to get shot by the police.

He didn't say that at all.

The tragedy is that were it not for the wrong 'uns then there'd be no armed police mistakenly shooting the innocent.

In this case however he was a wrong 'un and it was that alone that got him shot. He was shot before he had chance to shoot someone else. Why on earth should that bother anyone?

[Corpulent Tosser]

Eclassy said:

Corpulent Tosser said:

Of course had he not been a 'wrong un' in the first place none of it would have happened.

Not necessarily

Jean Charles de Menezes, Mohammed Abdul Kahar and Harry Stanley werent 'wrong uns'

I was referring to Duggan, had he not been associating with criminals he would not have been targeted.

[pork911]

heebeegeetee said:

In this case however he was a wrong 'un and it was that alone that got him shot. He was shot before he had chance to shoot someone else. Why on earth should that bother anyone?

Is that a verbatim quote from the verdict?

[singlecoil]

pork911 said:

heebeegeetee said:

In this case however he was a wrong 'un and it was that alone that got him shot. He was shot before he had chance to shoot someone else. Why on earth should that bother anyone?

Is that a verbatim quote from the verdict?

Yes

[rscott]

mph1977 said:

in 2012 the UK police services as a whole were deployed to 12,500 ish incidents where firearms authorisation for use was given ( however i don't think this includes all the standing authorisations etc airports, MODplod, CNC, carrying of side arms by ARV , VVIP protection and DPG - rather situations where authorisation was granted to actual point a gun at someone )

5 incidents resulted in discharges of weapons , with 2 fatalities ( one of which was Duggan)

in Germany in either 2011 or 2012 there were 85 discharges of firearms by the Police , not sure on the fatality numbers without going back and checking

5 discharged weapons per day is the probably the number for one STATION per day / weekin many US cities or somewhere like Seth Effrica...

I seem to recall reading a report of a single incident in the US where the police discharged more than 85 rounds last year.

[carinaman]

Breadvan72 said:

Those cases are very different to the Duggan case. None of them was going about armed, or with people who were armed. Try to set aside pre judgment and look at the analysis of what happened set out by Levesom.

This Moses chap at IPSO may not seem like he's approaching the Mirror exposure of Brooks Newmark without a preconceived agenda or an already decided upon verdict.

[pork911]

hora said:

If you look at it callously and in starkest terms Menezes shouldn't even have been in the country at that point, but anyway.

Jeez.

[Eclassy]

hora said:

Menezes deciding to flee?

If you look at it callously and in starkest terms Menezes shouldn't even have been in the country at that point, but anyway.

Edited by hora on Wednesday 15th October 16:16

Flee?! Yep just like he was wearing a thick winter jacket, had wires hanging out from under his clothes, jumped over the ticket barriers and was a confirmed bomber.

And it was all his fault. He had no business being brown and illegal in 'our' country. He should have stayed back in the favela.

Kahar and Stanley werent illegals... Hey wait, Pakistani and Scottish....same thing.

Edited by Eclassy on Wednesday 15th October 20:53

[Hol]

pork911 said:

hora said:

If you look at it callously and in starkest terms Menezes shouldn't even have been in the country at that point, but anyway.

Jeez.

You and carinaman should go on tour in a prison.

It's more your target audience.

[Eclassy]

rscott said:

I seem to recall reading a report of a single incident in the US where the police discharged more than 85 rounds last year.

Regularly done. In December 2012, Cleveland police fired 147 rounds into a car after a high speed chase, killing both occupants. Couple were unarmed and chase started after a car going past a police station had a backfire.

The police over there usually dont stop shooting until they have emptied their clip.

[carinaman]

Eclassy said:

The police over there usually dont stop shooting until they have emptied their clip.

They're pretty handy with smoke grenades too:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/05/baby...

[XCP]

Corpulent Tosser said:

I was referring to Duggan, had he not been associating with criminals he would not have been targeted.

Stanley was a wrong'un. Armed Robbery and GBH.

[anonymous-user]

That was in the past and irrelevant to the shooting. Stanley was not engaged in crime at the time.

[pork911]

Once a wrong 'un, always a wrong 'un. Probably a bit dusky 'en all. Death squads should be allowed to do their work without all this 'elf 'n safety and ooman rights. froth.froth.froth. Ugh.ug.ugh. Etc

[Eclassy]

XCP said:

Stanley was a wrong'un. Armed Robbery and GBH.

It is quite eye opening that a policeman thinks that it was okay to kill a man 'armed' with a table leg who had an 'Irish' accent just because he made some mistakes earlier in his life.

It is worth noting that 1 in 30 police officers in the Met has a criminal record.

[pork911]

Eclassy said:

It is quite eye opening that a policeman thinks that it was okay to kill a man 'armed' with a table leg who had an 'Irish' accent just because he made some mistakes earlier in his life.

It is worth noting that 1 in 30 police officers in the Met has a criminal record.

How have they not been executed?

[carinaman]

Hol said:

You and carinaman should go on tour in a prison.

It's more your target audience.

Actually given some of the stuff I know about the police there could be grounds to put me inside on a trumped arson charge like Melanie Shaw in HMP Peterborough. Perhaps she'll be out on bail tomorrow. Shame the CPS ballsed up the court listing but I guess that's to be expected in the times of cuts and general unaccountable shonkiness in the judicial system.