Review of Duggan inquest
Discussion
Eclassy said:
It is quite eye opening that a policeman thinks that it was okay to kill a man 'armed' with a table leg who had an 'Irish' accent just because he made some mistakes earlier in his life.
It is worth noting that 1 in 30 police officers in the Met has a criminal record.
I am not a police officer, and I did not say what you infer, or anything of the sort. I am pointing out that Stanley was a convicted armed robber who had served time for GBH. I don't know what your definition of a 'wrong'un' is but armed robbery and GBH fulfil the criteria for me.It is worth noting that 1 in 30 police officers in the Met has a criminal record.
XCP said:
Eclassy said:
It is quite eye opening that a policeman thinks that it was okay to kill a man 'armed' with a table leg who had an 'Irish' accent just because he made some mistakes earlier in his life.
It is worth noting that 1 in 30 police officers in the Met has a criminal record.
I am not a police officer, and I did not say what you infer, or anything of the sort. I am pointing out that Stanley was a convicted armed robber who had served time for GBH. I don't know what your definition of a 'wrong'un' is but armed robbery and GBH fulfil the criteria for me.It is worth noting that 1 in 30 police officers in the Met has a criminal record.
singlecoil said:
I can guess what his definition is- anyone who is or who ever has been in the Police.
You know that thread on PC Mark Milton about his un-Maldonado like skills on keeping that BMW on the island after hitting that traffic island and 90 odd MPH while chasing what he thought may have been a stolen Audi and I mentioned that I'd heard a similar tale from another officer that when caught speeding in a force Range Rover went onto the police database to look for an incident that he said he could have been involved with to try to excuse his speeding?That other officer is due in court again soon. Not for traffic offences or snooping around police computers looking for some excuse this time though.
The fact it's quite easy to name only a few examples of extreme cases (I don't class Duggan in those) over many years is a reflection of just how well the police use firearms when dealing with threats.
Eclassy said:
It is worth noting that 1 in 30 police officers in the Met has a criminal record.
Where's the source for this statistic? It sounds improbable. La Liga, there's this article but it's almost 3 years out of date:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jan/02/police-9...
That Devon & Cornwall police employ or employed a PC convicted of burlary as a teenager is notable given the comments being thrown about after the death of that suspected bicycle thief in Sutton Harbour there on Sunday morning.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jan/02/police-9...
That Devon & Cornwall police employ or employed a PC convicted of burlary as a teenager is notable given the comments being thrown about after the death of that suspected bicycle thief in Sutton Harbour there on Sunday morning.
pork911 said:
ah well hopefully its never you or yours who are mistaken
Just going back to this point again.From figures I'm seeing (Wikipedia) there 653 murders in the UK in 2011. In 2011/2012 there were two fatal shootings by police. In 2012/2013 there were none.
I'm curious about the thinking that would express an anxiety about being shot by the police when you're approx 326:1 more likely to be killed by a criminal. Why would you not express hope for me that me and mine are not killed by a crim when that is far more likely (although still extremely rare for someone like myself) over being killed by a policeman?
Would you not agree that it is bizarre at the very least to express concern about being shot by the police?
heebeegeetee said:
Just going back to this point again.
From figures I'm seeing (Wikipedia) there 653 murders in the UK in 2011. In 2011/2012 there were two fatal shootings by police. In 2012/2013 there were none.
I'm curious about the thinking that would express an anxiety about being shot by the police when you're approx 326:1 more likely to be killed by a criminal. Why would you not express hope for me that me and mine are not killed by a crim when that is far more likely (although still extremely rare for someone like myself) over being killed by a policeman?
Would you not agree that it is bizarre at the very least to express concern about being shot by the police?
In a discussion about a police shooting, not bizarre at all.From figures I'm seeing (Wikipedia) there 653 murders in the UK in 2011. In 2011/2012 there were two fatal shootings by police. In 2012/2013 there were none.
I'm curious about the thinking that would express an anxiety about being shot by the police when you're approx 326:1 more likely to be killed by a criminal. Why would you not express hope for me that me and mine are not killed by a crim when that is far more likely (although still extremely rare for someone like myself) over being killed by a policeman?
Would you not agree that it is bizarre at the very least to express concern about being shot by the police?
On your (bizarre) view I should be first expressing concern that you aren't killed by your partner, in a car, a DIY accident or that you should cut down on fat and get more exercise - maybe put some false tan on and run for a train?
pork911 said:
In a discussion about a police shooting, not bizarre at all.
On your (bizarre) view I should be first expressing concern that you aren't killed by your partner, in a car, a DIY accident or that you should cut down on fat and get more exercise - maybe put some false tan on and run for a train?
But the discussion doesn't alter the odds. There is effectively completely zero chance of me or mine being shot by the police. Why would you waste time even thinking about it? On your (bizarre) view I should be first expressing concern that you aren't killed by your partner, in a car, a DIY accident or that you should cut down on fat and get more exercise - maybe put some false tan on and run for a train?
the 1% figure suggested by some ofthe posters fits in with the following misuse of the FOIA
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/serving_pol...
heebeegeetee said:
But the discussion doesn't alter the odds. There is effectively completely zero chance of me or mine being shot by the police. Why would you waste time even thinking about it?
Because of the release the hounds attitudes here and inability to see that judicial killings can mean non-wrong'uns won't be spared 
pork911 said:
Because of the release the hounds attitudes here and inability to see that judicial killings can mean non-wrong'uns won't be spared
What do you think life would be like for us non-wrong 'uns without the police force that we've got? If we weren't kept safe the murder rate would represent that of other countries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_...You're not in any danger because of our armed police - in fact quite the opposite.
carinaman said:
Actually given some of the stuff I know about the police there could be grounds to put me inside on a trumped arson charge like Melanie Shaw in HMP Peterborough. Perhaps she'll be out on bail tomorrow. Shame the CPS ballsed up the court listing but I guess that's to be expected in the times of cuts and general unaccountable shonkiness in the judicial system.
Is she a relative of Duggans?heebeegeetee said:
pork911 said:
Because of the release the hounds attitudes here and inability to see that judicial killings can mean non-wrong'uns won't be spared
What do you think life would be like for us non-wrong 'uns without the police force that we've got? If we weren't kept safe the murder rate would represent that of other countries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_...You're not in any danger because of our armed police - in fact quite the opposite.
Hol said:
carinaman said:
Actually given some of the stuff I know about the police there could be grounds to put me inside on a trumped arson charge like Melanie Shaw in HMP Peterborough. Perhaps she'll be out on bail tomorrow. Shame the CPS ballsed up the court listing but I guess that's to be expected in the times of cuts and general unaccountable shonkiness in the judicial system.
Is she a relative of Duggans?A girl that was apparently abused whilst in a home and unhappy about the investigation. She was on viagra (her GP is under investigation too) and following complaints then found herself on a charge of arson (her neighbour's shed).
No link to Duggan but clearly we seem to be going down the 'dirty police' route.
Pip
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