Review of Duggan inquest
Discussion
Mandown46 said:
La Liga - some excellent responses, frankly, my patience would have worn thin a long time ago.
Thanks. Dealing with idiots frequently has evidentially raised my threshold over the years. There's understandably a lot of misunderstanding about policing and this forum is a great place for people to get some insight they wouldn't usually get. It amazes me the level of stupidity and ignorance the OP and others display and continue to when they are presented with facts. I can't emphasise enough how much thought and care goes into firearms deployments. No police officer wants to discharge their weapon and everything is geared towards that outcome, which is why it's achieved nearly all the time.
La Liga said:
hanks. Dealing with idiots frequently has evidentially raised my threshold over the years.
There's understandably a lot of misunderstanding about policing and this forum is a great place for people to get some insight they wouldn't usually get. It amazes me the level of stupidity and ignorance the OP and others display and continue to when they are presented with facts. I can't emphasise enough how much thought and care goes into firearms deployments. No police officer wants to discharge their weapon and everything is geared towards that outcome, which is why it's achieved nearly all the time.
The officer who shot duggan gave evidence that he saw him holding a gun before each of the two times he shot him.There's understandably a lot of misunderstanding about policing and this forum is a great place for people to get some insight they wouldn't usually get. It amazes me the level of stupidity and ignorance the OP and others display and continue to when they are presented with facts. I can't emphasise enough how much thought and care goes into firearms deployments. No police officer wants to discharge their weapon and everything is geared towards that outcome, which is why it's achieved nearly all the time.
Will the care you talk of mean that officer is no longer involved with firearms?
pork911 said:
The officer who shot duggan gave evidence that he saw him holding a gun before each of the two times he shot him.
Will the care you talk of mean that officer is no longer involved with firearms?
We're flawed when it comes to perception, memory and bias. There's much work in cognitive science around how the brain processes and stores information and how it can be different, and in some cases dramatically different, from what actually occurred. Any one who has taken multiple statements from people all seeing the same thing will see this in action. It's especially pertinent when there's CCTV as a anchor and reference point. Will the care you talk of mean that officer is no longer involved with firearms?
If the officer's account vs what occurred was in line with normal and reasonable cognitive flaws, then how could it be a rational decision to remove him?
If it were found the individual significantly deviated from the norm in terms of what could reasonably occur within most people, then there'd be a case to remove him. I've not seen any evidence this is the case, though.
La Liga said:
hanks. Dealing with idiots frequently has evidentially raised my threshold over the years.
There's understandably a lot of misunderstanding about policing and this forum is a great place for people to get some insight they wouldn't usually get. It amazes me the level of stupidity and ignorance the OP and others display and continue to when they are presented with facts. I can't emphasise enough how much thought and care goes into firearms deployments. No police officer wants to discharge their weapon and everything is geared towards that outcome, which is why it's achieved nearly all the time.
you did a great job of dealing with the accused ,my patience would not have lasted past his first post looking at the quotes. i completely understand the need for armed police , appreciate the level of training and care that goes into operational planning ,but after the bloke carrying the table leg and de menezes ,the thought of being anywhere near an armed police officer in an operational situation fills me with terror.There's understandably a lot of misunderstanding about policing and this forum is a great place for people to get some insight they wouldn't usually get. It amazes me the level of stupidity and ignorance the OP and others display and continue to when they are presented with facts. I can't emphasise enough how much thought and care goes into firearms deployments. No police officer wants to discharge their weapon and everything is geared towards that outcome, which is why it's achieved nearly all the time.
The High Court has upheld the 'lawful killing' verdict: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29611987
Corpulent Tosser said:
pork911 said:
Grist to PH mill.
Anyhow, is the killer (who says he saw the gun in duggan's hands before each shot) back on duty and carrying a firearm?
I certainly hope he is back on duty and have no problem if he is still on a firearms team or whatever they call it..Anyhow, is the killer (who says he saw the gun in duggan's hands before each shot) back on duty and carrying a firearm?
pork911 said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
pork911 said:
Grist to PH mill.
Anyhow, is the killer (who says he saw the gun in duggan's hands before each shot) back on duty and carrying a firearm?
I certainly hope he is back on duty and have no problem if he is still on a firearms team or whatever they call it..Anyhow, is the killer (who says he saw the gun in duggan's hands before each shot) back on duty and carrying a firearm?
ks !I am not involved in crime, gun or otherwise, so I have nothing to concern myself about.
The chances of this man shooting anyone else in his career is virtually nil, but if he shoots another scrote who is involved in gun crime then more power to his trigger finger.
pork911 said:
Let's hope you are never confronted by him while not holding a gun.
Pork911, I think that you are confusing CorpulentT- with a little scumbag who was involved in gun crime. I think and hope that CorpulentT- is not even close in profile to Duggan.Armed police have to make split second decisions in life threatening situations. It is not an enviable task. It is a tough job but unfortunately somebody has to do it. Perhaps if there was still national service and you were filtered through Afghanistan/Iraq everyone would have a better understanding.
It is very easy for 'desk jockeys' to criticise but still expect the protection of their human rights, family and home.
Pip
pork911 said:
Sounds akin to supporting judicial killings of those that fit the profile then, which I doubt the officer would support.
But Nevermind my views clearly demonstrate I am but a desk jockey with no experience in such matters
If you get yourself into a situation of your own making which puts you in peril just whose fault do you think it is ?But Nevermind my views clearly demonstrate I am but a desk jockey with no experience in such matters
If Duggan had not been involved in crime would the situation have occurred ?
Just try thinking about personal responsibility !
Corpulent Tosser said:
If you get yourself into a situation of your own making which puts you in peril just whose fault do you think it is ?
If Duggan had not been involved in crime would the situation have occurred ?
Just try thinking about personal responsibility !
Putting aside Brazilian plasterers If Duggan had not been involved in crime would the situation have occurred ?
Just try thinking about personal responsibility !
are you really advocating death to all criminal suspects? pork911 said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
If you get yourself into a situation of your own making which puts you in peril just whose fault do you think it is ?
If Duggan had not been involved in crime would the situation have occurred ?
Just try thinking about personal responsibility !
Putting aside Brazilian plasterers If Duggan had not been involved in crime would the situation have occurred ?
Just try thinking about personal responsibility !
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