Vehicle on French plates that has been in UK for ages
Discussion
Setting aside the details and exemptions, plus all the specific instances where an arrangement can be made with the authorities.
The nuts and bolts of the issue is to detect and deal with people clearly taking the mickey. Examples on this thread.
However one thing I discovered from reading that earlier linked document was the following regarding insurance, see blue highlighted bit, which sort of puts a question mark against recent ops around Central Motorway network specifically targeted at foreign vehicles. Devil in detail, I guess, depends upon criteria used for a stop decision.
The nuts and bolts of the issue is to detect and deal with people clearly taking the mickey. Examples on this thread.
However one thing I discovered from reading that earlier linked document was the following regarding insurance, see blue highlighted bit, which sort of puts a question mark against recent ops around Central Motorway network specifically targeted at foreign vehicles. Devil in detail, I guess, depends upon criteria used for a stop decision.
The document states it it illegal for a UK resident to drive the EU reg car but then goes onto say that it would have to be immediately registered. How would this be possible if they do not own the car and the car is only in the country for a few days a year? I can let anyone drive my car as the insurance covers them.
On another point, I never carry an documentation to prove that I am non resident although I have a UK licence.
On another point, I never carry an documentation to prove that I am non resident although I have a UK licence.
Finlandia said:
Then the follow up question is, what makes one a 'resident of the UK'? If I have an address in the UK where I stay, but if I have addresses in Finland and Sweden where I stay as well, then where am I resident?
According to that linked document "Under UK tax laws a resident is one who resides in the UK for 185 days or more in the tax year, either in one block or in separate visits. "Possibly more than one! A rule of thumb is where you spend most time and/or pay tax.
As far as the UK is concerned have a look here - http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/international/residence.htm...
As far as the UK is concerned have a look here - http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/international/residence.htm...
Finlandia said:
Looks like I could be a resident of many countries, how that works I'm not sure. I was under the impression that EU rules allowed you to bring your car to another EU country and keep it there for up to 6 months, only after that the car must be registered in the country.
That is what I thought. Can EU law trump UK law?krallicious said:
Finlandia said:
Looks like I could be a resident of many countries, how that works I'm not sure. I was under the impression that EU rules allowed you to bring your car to another EU country and keep it there for up to 6 months, only after that the car must be registered in the country.
That is what I thought. Can EU law trump UK law?FiF said:
Setting aside the details and exemptions, plus all the specific instances where an arrangement can be made with the authorities.
The nuts and bolts of the issue is to detect and deal with people clearly taking the mickey. Examples on this thread.
However one thing I discovered from reading that earlier linked document was the following regarding insurance, see blue highlighted bit, which sort of puts a question mark against recent ops around Central Motorway network specifically targeted at foreign vehicles. Devil in detail, I guess, depends upon criteria used for a stop decision.
Why a question mark? The ongoing Op Jessica has been looking at vehicles that have been in the UK longer for 6 months, the driver is a UK resident or, as it seems the driver only has a provisional or no licence at all. They've not been looking at insurance - they've been seizing the cars for no VEL (or no licence)!The nuts and bolts of the issue is to detect and deal with people clearly taking the mickey. Examples on this thread.
However one thing I discovered from reading that earlier linked document was the following regarding insurance, see blue highlighted bit, which sort of puts a question mark against recent ops around Central Motorway network specifically targeted at foreign vehicles. Devil in detail, I guess, depends upon criteria used for a stop decision.
Landshark said:
Why a question mark? The ongoing Op Jessica has been looking at vehicles that have been in the UK longer for 6 months, the driver is a UK resident or, as it seems the driver only has a provisional or no licence at all. They've not been looking at insurance - they've been seizing the cars for no VEL (or no licence)!
Ok so the question is whether there is a database recording the tracking of foreign vehicle entry to and exit from UK?TUS373 said:
We have noticed a car in the vicinity that is on French plates, left hand drive, but been around for about a year. The owner is, I suspect, a woman in her 60s who married someone in France, but came over here in the car and has lent it to her son in law. It is always kept in the same place overnight and seems to have become his daily driver. It therefore has become a bit of a permanent fixture rather than something that is here for a few weeks then disappears for months on end.
I am fairly confident that this is the correct assessment of the situation. I was wondering what the position is with VED and insurance for use like this. Do French cars have their own road tax and if so would it be valid here for months and months or are the users taking the mickey? Is this a matter for plod, after all, we pay our VED to use our roads?
Mind your own fI am fairly confident that this is the correct assessment of the situation. I was wondering what the position is with VED and insurance for use like this. Do French cars have their own road tax and if so would it be valid here for months and months or are the users taking the mickey? Is this a matter for plod, after all, we pay our VED to use our roads?
king business you are not the police and it's doubtful the car is sleeping with your wife.
TUS373 said:
Well thank you to those who submitted intelligent replies, understood and answered the orginal question. I wish the remainder well when they get their GCSE results and hope they did listen to their teachers when told to "always read and answer the question". I was not seeking opinion on ethics, but an answer on a point of law. For those who voluntarily gave their opinions - well done. It was not necessary, possibly a waste of pixels, but appreciated nonetheless. I sincerely hope that you get invited back to school to undertake a programme of A level General Studies, when you may fill your boots and indulge yourself in the school debating team pondering tricky situations such as "if your a nice bloke, is it OK to drive an untaxed car", or "If I am a lazy oaf with a nice car, it is OK to use Child and Parent Spaces, sometimes disabled ones too if McDonalds is busy".
Perhaps if I rephrase the question it will make it easier for the hard of understanding:
Statement of Fact: It is accepted in the UK that to operate a car on the road, it must be taxed (i.e. VED) and insured. The Treasury fails to collect all of the VED as people cheat the system. The Police try an enforce this, using ANPR to check the tax, MOT and insurance status of a car on the road. If you have a car but choose not to tax it, then it must be SORNed.
If someone should bring a non-UK registered vehicle into the UK, what steps does that owner/keeper/user undertake to ensure that they are complying with UK law and what is the cut off point time wise when they should comply e.g. registering on UK plates, having UK insurance, and taxing the bloody thing?
The answer as far as you're concerned is: Yes, it's absolutely fine. Without the knowledge that the car has never embarked on something as ridiculous as say a day trip to Calais you have no right to pry into their affairs; therefore it is of absolutely no interest to you. Assuming you take that as gospel you can move on with your pathetic life and find out which inanimate object actually knocked up your wife.Perhaps if I rephrase the question it will make it easier for the hard of understanding:
Statement of Fact: It is accepted in the UK that to operate a car on the road, it must be taxed (i.e. VED) and insured. The Treasury fails to collect all of the VED as people cheat the system. The Police try an enforce this, using ANPR to check the tax, MOT and insurance status of a car on the road. If you have a car but choose not to tax it, then it must be SORNed.
If someone should bring a non-UK registered vehicle into the UK, what steps does that owner/keeper/user undertake to ensure that they are complying with UK law and what is the cut off point time wise when they should comply e.g. registering on UK plates, having UK insurance, and taxing the bloody thing?
Edited because I called the OP a
, realised it was childish so decided to remove.Edited by Black_S3 on Tuesday 25th November 08:17
Edited by Black_S3 on Tuesday 25th November 08:36
Please excuse me while I have a bit of a minor rant.
There is too much of this about.
Not referring to the subject of the thread but people being just plain funking objectionable on PH for the sake of what exactly?
Now it may well be that the comments about the OP's wife, for example, may be a jokey carryover from some stupid thread in the Lounge, but I suspect not.
So why?
He asked a civil question and has been polite in trying to find out the situation and how it's enforced.
All he gets is childish ttty comments back from some who btw also don't add anything to the sensible part of the discussion.
Some of you need to sort yourselves out and if you can't do that then GTFO to another forum.
Out
There is too much of this about.
Not referring to the subject of the thread but people being just plain funking objectionable on PH for the sake of what exactly?
Now it may well be that the comments about the OP's wife, for example, may be a jokey carryover from some stupid thread in the Lounge, but I suspect not.
So why?
He asked a civil question and has been polite in trying to find out the situation and how it's enforced.
All he gets is childish t
tty comments back from some who btw also don't add anything to the sensible part of the discussion. Some of you need to sort yourselves out and if you can't do that then GTFO to another forum.
Out
FiF said:
He asked a civil question and has been polite in trying to find out the situation and how it's enforced.
True, but then there are the likes of me, with a UK registered and taxed car that doesn't wear the UK roads out. I would say, as long as there is no proof of he foreign car being part of any seriously illegal action, leave it be. There are people who live or stay in more than one country for family or other reasons, and lawfully so, their car will have to be registered in one country, sometimes that country is the UK and sometimes it's not.
TUS373 said:
Well thank you to those who submitted intelligent replies, understood and answered the orginal question. I wish the remainder well when they get their GCSE results and hope they did listen to their teachers when told to "always read and answer the question". I was not seeking opinion on ethics, but an answer on a point of law. For those who voluntarily gave their opinions - well done. It was not necessary, possibly a waste of pixels, but appreciated nonetheless. I sincerely hope that you get invited back to school to undertake a programme of A level General Studies, when you may fill your boots and indulge yourself in the school debating team pondering tricky situations such as "if your a nice bloke, is it OK to drive an untaxed car", or "If I am a lazy oaf with a nice car, it is OK to use Child and Parent Spaces, sometimes disabled ones too if McDonalds is busy".
Perhaps if I rephrase the question it will make it easier for the hard of understanding:
Statement of Fact: It is accepted in the UK that to operate a car on the road, it must be taxed (i.e. VED) and insured. The Treasury fails to collect all of the VED as people cheat the system. The Police try an enforce this, using ANPR to check the tax, MOT and insurance status of a car on the road. If you have a car but choose not to tax it, then it must be SORNed.
If someone should bring a non-UK registered vehicle into the UK, what steps does that owner/keeper/user undertake to ensure that they are complying with UK law and what is the cut off point time wise when they should comply e.g. registering on UK plates, having UK insurance, and taxing the bloody thing?
But you posted your question on an internet forum, which by their nature involve people offering opinions.Perhaps if I rephrase the question it will make it easier for the hard of understanding:
Statement of Fact: It is accepted in the UK that to operate a car on the road, it must be taxed (i.e. VED) and insured. The Treasury fails to collect all of the VED as people cheat the system. The Police try an enforce this, using ANPR to check the tax, MOT and insurance status of a car on the road. If you have a car but choose not to tax it, then it must be SORNed.
If someone should bring a non-UK registered vehicle into the UK, what steps does that owner/keeper/user undertake to ensure that they are complying with UK law and what is the cut off point time wise when they should comply e.g. registering on UK plates, having UK insurance, and taxing the bloody thing?
oyster said:
But you posted your question on an internet forum, which by their nature involve people offering opinions.
That's very true.Does this sound like an opinion worth offering?
"Assuming you take that as gospel you can move on with your pathetic life and find out which inanimate object actually knocked up your wife."
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