Number Plate Format

[AMDHIL]

Mk3Spitfire said:

I don't understand this targeting people because of the car they drive. It's never occurred to me. The only time I have ever stopped someone because of their car was to admire it, although he was speeding too. (Stunning e-type). As for your plate issue, you could try phoning your forces traffic process unit.
As for the officer who was lying, regardless of his clean record, if you had irrefutable evidence he was corrupt, you should have had a word with his supervisors. Over zealous, corrupt officers give the rest of us a bad name.

I did have a word with his inspector, who was gutted when I showed him the video footage, I was also scared of repercussions hence the reasons for not making a formal complaint

[AMDHIL]

Ok thanks for your help everyone, just managed to get a hold of my brother whom is barrista, he has advised me that considering the case was not brought to court within 6 months it will be thrown out of court.

Thanks for all your help guys, Ill hand this one over to little bro.

[AMDHIL]

On a side note:

Ive been completely honest on this forum, there is something fishy and I believe it 100% as result of me being able to prove the officer wrong on the original incident...I know what I am saying is the truth, people have got to get it out there heads that all officers are angels. (dont get me wrong some are, officers are absolutely fantastic)

[Mr Classic]

AMDHIL said:

Ok thanks for your help everyone, just managed to get a hold of my brother whom is barrista

Does he work in Costa or Starbucks?

[AMDHIL]

Mr Classic said:

Does he work in Costa or Starbucks?

Ha ha very funny, what i meant was barrister. funnily enough he does make a really good cup of coffee

classic!

[Jon1967x]

AMDHIL said:

Jon1967x said:

???

Jon1967 if you actually read it then you will realize your comment makes no sense. "A police officer lied about me and i proved my case with irrefutable evidence"

Edited by AMDHIL on Thursday 17th July 00:22

If you don't consider having to use video evidence to show you were innocent due to a copper making false assertions an issue I don't know what you call one? I didn't say you'd been in 'trouble' or 'knicked' etc and I actually acknowledged you were in the right. I refer to this and your reply is you have had no issues. Wnen I point out the link you tell me I'm wrong. There certainly seems to be a raw nerve here.

Can I guess that the reason they knew the plate had illegal spacing as it drove past was not because they measured it, but because the letters were inconsistently spaced to put emphasis on certain combinations that mean something to you? Let's say your plate was AMD 111 L but you wanted it to read AM D111L (I'm not saying this is your plate, I'm just using it as an illustration). Just a hunch but a not uncommon scenario with people and private plates (which does make it right)

Here's an example?





If you still have the plate on your car then it will be fairly easy to just ticket you again even if the local coffee shop tells you the current one won't stick.

Edited by Jon1967x on Thursday 17th July 07:00

[vonhosen]

AMDHIL said:

Mk3Spitfire said:

VDRS is obsolete in some forces, including mine. Another example of our discretion being taken away from us.
As for the story...I also believe there may be more to it.
How do you know an off duty officer spotted you? How do you know you were doing 40mph at the time they spotted it? The whole cheque thing is strange. The whole scenario is strange.

The witness statement from the officer provides all this information

(please just accept im telling the truth)

This does happen, I have in a separate incident been accused formally by a police officer and the only reason I was able to prove him wrong was with on board video footage. There are corrupt police officers and I was victimised for driving a nice car. I chose not to make a formal complaint because he had been in the force for 15 years with a clean record and he has a family

What bearing does any previous incident have on this matter?
Is it the officer from the previous matter that is involved in this matter?

AMDHIL said:

The other issue is that I actually provided the payment

You have to satisfy more criteria than sending a payment. You have to satisfy all the criteria to be eligible for it to be dealt with by FPN. If all aren't satisfied then the default is issue of a summons.

AMDHIL said:

Steffan said:

Yes the "I knew it was illegal but I did it anyway" is an interesting take on complying with the law. If t works very few law breakers would ever be prosecuted. I cannot see much merit in the complaint.

Law is not black and white, "The law will do what ought to be done" hence the reason for being able to present mitigating circumstances

Your mitigation offered does not make any difference to whether you were guilty or innocent of the offence mentioned, it is merely an explanation offered in the hope of affecting the disposal option or sentence. Those however are at the discretion of others & discretion doesn't always fall in your favour. What ought to be done according to the law is a legal plate displayed. You sound like you could have both afforded to get a new plate & arrange alternative transport until your vehicle was legal, you chose not to however. With that choice stood potential consequences.

Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 17th July 06:58

[AMDHIL]

Seems that everyone isn't reading the full list of posts and getting a little carried away with the assumptions?

[eccles]

AMDHIL said:

Your correct in that I was warned a long time ago on a different car

however i did not give them a piece of my mind I simply said in a very civil manner that had a valid reason for having the plate on

You see, that's where you're wrong....there is no valid reason to have them on the car.
You had a couple of options, and you chose the one that broke the law and are now using a string of exscuses to try and justify it.

Do you really think the average overworked plod is really wandering around in search of some 'posh' car just to try and find fault with it because the driver 'got one over' on one of their mates at some time in the past?

Perhaps on their shift breifing the sergeant issues a list of 'posh' cars to keep an eye out for, especially that Bentley, he got one over on 'dave' a few months ago!

[AMDHIL]

AMDHIL said:

Hi

Ive been summoned to court due to the spacing on my number plate being 22mm in place of 33mm. This was spotted by an off duty police officer from the pavement whilst I was travelling at 40MPH whom reported me.

My mitigation is that I knew that the plate was incorrect however my previous correct plate had broken and consequently I had this very slightly incorrect plate on for a approx 2 weeks. (I still have the original broken plate)

I sent a letter and cheque for £100 and explained that I believed it was unfair to ask me to pay £100 when everyone else gets warning letter, the police responded with a court summons.

I would like to present all the mitigating issues as I believe I'm being targeted by the police as consequence of proving a police officer to be a liar using on board CCTV (separate incident)

My question is if I am convicted of having a none compliant number plate then:

Could I be given points even though none compliant number plate is none endorsable?

The court summons was sent in excess of 6 months of the date of the incident by 20 days, will the case still be heard in court?

Will I have a criminal record if I am convicted, and how bad is this?

Thanks for any help

MDH

To bring the post back on track see, above, these are the facts whether they sound unbelive or not thats the truth. information based on any assumptions does not have much value as all they are, are assumptions. I was really looking for educated guesses on the information provided. Don't mean to be rude, but the scenarios conjured up on some responses are incredible.

Please dont take this negatively i don't mean to be rude


So far my three question have been answered thus:

Could I be given points even though none compliant number plate is none endorsable?
answer: No points should be given

The court summons was sent in excess of 6 months of the date of the incident by 20 days, will the case still be heard in court?
answer: This is not good for the prosecution, and will probably be thrown out of court

Will I have a criminal record if I am convicted, and how bad is this?
answer: No, as its a minor offence same a speeding etc

Edited by AMDHIL on Thursday 17th July 07:16

[Durzel]

Mk3Spitfire said:

I don't understand this targeting people because of the car they drive. It's never occurred to me. The only time I have ever stopped someone because of their car was to admire it, although he was speeding too. (Stunning e-type). As for your plate issue, you could try phoning your forces traffic process unit.
As for the officer who was lying, regardless of his clean record, if you had irrefutable evidence he was corrupt, you should have had a word with his supervisors. Over zealous, corrupt officers give the rest of us a bad name.

I don't think it's necessarily the the OP was singled out because of the car he drives moreover that the car will draw the eye in a sea of Fords and Vauxhalls, and wearing a dodgy plate will be more remarkable than it would necessarily normally be.

It's basically waving a flag saying "Hi I'm illegal". It takes zero investigative effort, is blatantly obvious to the naked eye and is a slam dunk conviction.

Also OP - the information has to be laid before the court within 6 months, which it presumably has been since you have the summons already. Worth double checking but your brother might be incorrect.

Edited by Durzel on Thursday 17th July 07:24

[Jon1967x]

AMDHIL said:

Don't mean to be rude, but the scenarios conjured up on some responses are incredible.
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Don't mean to be rude either, but we've been trying to tell you that. You're the one that introduced the police having some vendetta against you,that you are an honourable self made man evidenced by paying lots of money to lawfully evict tenants, but you acknowledge you know the plates are illegal.

You fail to differentiate speculation and questions being asked with accusation, you fail to acknowledge reasoned argument (copper knowi spacing distance on a moving car) etc..

And then you tell us your brither is a barrister and while he may not be a car crime specialist (speculation) can offer you reasonable advice.

[Pothole]

AMDHIL said:

Snowboy said:

I think we're not getting the full story here.

I'm not really sure how you could pay the fine AND get a court summons.
I guess it depends on exactly what the letter said or how you'd filled out the cheque.

I would guess the altered spacing significantly changed the look of the plate to such a degree it was very easily noticed and remembered by an off duty cop.

The six months thing is a red herring - you were contacted in plenty of time. .

The comment about 'police revenge' may have some truth.
But, another way to look at it is that if someone gets known to the police then the police watch out for them.
Are you a repeat traffic offender?
Are you a repeat customer of her majesties constabulary?

I sent a cheque but it was not cashed, business cheque and I have a stub

I have clean licence I have never had any points despite holding a licence since the of 17, I'm now 30

The only brush with the law I had was when a police officer said I pulled out in front of him, I was speeding, and driving dangerously, the only reason i was not prosecuted was because I have a onboard DVR recorder and I showed the footage to the officers senior inspector, in fear of repercussion i did not make a formal complaint but a note has been stored on the police database.

I drive a very distinct car (Bentley Continental)

I'm a IT professional in managerial position

Side note:
Ive recently legally evicted tenants from a house i rent out, Had I not been afraid of a criminal record I could have had these tenants evicted for £50 in much shorter period. The legal process cost me over £3000.

Im genuine, but I don't mind you being sceptical, i hope the above clears things up

The law bullies people that respect it, I could have left the broken number plate on and no one would have battered and eye lid despite half a letter being missing, (the reason I had the invalid plate was because I used to have it on an old car about 3 years ago and was asked to take it off by the police)

Edited by AMDHIL on Wednesday 16th July 08:57

Batted.

Why did you not get a new plate in two weeks?

(nobody cares what you do or what you drive, it's immaterial, and citing possible plod revenge is ridiculous)

[AMDHIL]

Pothole said:

Batted.

Why did you not get a new plate in two weeks?

(nobody cares what you do or what you drive, it's immaterial, and citing possible plod revenge is ridiculous)

Honestly, I was being complacent,

in relation to plod revenge had I not had video evidence then when the original plod lied about speeding, pulling out at a round about, and running a red light would have been a ridiculous thought though. I would have been convicted of this lets face it how many people have dashboard camera fitted in there car? I wonder how many people have been victimised by envious police officers. (this was my own little pleb gate, its a scary thought that this happens, but the fact of the matter is it does!)

Edited by AMDHIL on Thursday 17th July 08:21

[julianm]

I thought this was your Continental:


Which would look less classy with a chavved up number plate.
In fact I think all Bentleys look less classy with a chavved up number plate.

[vonhosen]

AMDHIL said:

Could I be given points even though none compliant number plate is none endorsable?

No points, but the court has the power to disqualify you.

AMDHIL said:

The court summons was sent in excess of 6 months of the date of the incident by 20 days, will the case still be heard in court?

The 6 month limitation is in the time information must be laid before the court, the summons itself can be issued and valid considerable time after that (even years in some cases).

AMDHIL said:

Will I have a criminal record if I am convicted, and how bad is this?

It's a criminal conviction but not a recordable conviction as far as the PNC is concerned. How bad that is depends on an individual's view of that (i.e. Your personal outlook or anybody else who becomes aware of it who has contact with you).

AMDHIL said:

Thanks for any help

MDH

You're welcome.

[berlintaxi]

AMDHIL said:

Honestly, I was being complacent,

in relation to plod revenge had I not had video evidence then when the original plod lied about speeding, pulling out at a round about, and running a red light would have been a ridiculous thought though. I would have been convicted of this lets face it how many people have dashboard camera fitted in there car? I wonder how many people have been victimised by envious police officers. (this was my own little pleb gate, its a scary thought that this happens, but the fact of the matter is it does!)

Edited by AMDHIL on Thursday 17th July 08:21

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.

Seriously, get over yourself.

[AMDHIL]

berlintaxi said:

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.

Seriously, get over yourself.

thanks thats some constructive advice!,

[Pothole]

AMDHIL said:

Pothole said:

Batted.

Why did you not get a new plate in two weeks?

(nobody cares what you do or what you drive, it's immaterial, and citing possible plod revenge is ridiculous)

Honestly, I was being complacent,

in relation to plod revenge had I not had video evidence then when the original plod lied about speeding, pulling out at a round about, and running a red light would have been a ridiculous thought though. I would have been convicted of this lets face it how many people have dashboard camera fitted in there car? I wonder how many people have been victimised by envious police officers. (this was my own little pleb gate, its a scary thought that this happens, but the fact of the matter is it does!)

Edited by AMDHIL on Thursday 17th July 08:21

blah blah blah, none of that supports your serious allegation against your local constabulary, does it? Why not just admit you're pissed off with yourself for being cheap and lazy asnd stop trying to make excuses for same? You got done for stupidity.

[AMDHIL]

vonhosen said:

You're welcome.

Thanks this is a great answer