car insurance fraud issue

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wjwren

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4,484 posts

135 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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question regarding insurance and possible fraud please - work colleague has split up from his wife few months ago. He has found out his ex wife to be has insured the car again with him as a named driver. I personally don't see the major fuss as she is using car to ferry his kids about but hey ho. He said he wants to do her for fraud. Would the police be interested? He has since phoned up and canceled the policy and she has presumably taken out her own policy unless she is driving around with out insurance at all - which im sure the police would be interested in.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

177 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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No interest at all from the police. Also no way that he as named driver could cancel the policy without her approval as policyholder.

He needs to take the emotion out of his decision making process, which is easier said than done. All this crap when splitting up doesn't help, won't alter the financial settlement and just makes solicitors richer most of the time.

Mandat

3,887 posts

238 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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Also, where is the fraud element in this scenario?

wjwren

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4,484 posts

135 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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sorry should of said - the fraud element is that he was put on the insurance without his permission.

Cooperman

4,428 posts

250 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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And that defrauded him how, exactly? Did he lose money because of this?

marshalla

15,902 posts

201 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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wjwren said:
sorry should of said - the fraud element is that he was put on the insurance without his permission.
Fail to see any fraud in that. Who's suffered a loss ?

If anything, it's moderately sensible for her to have him as a named driver. If anything happens to her he can use her car to ferry kids around.

She hasn't said that he regularly uses it, or that he has any financial interest it - just that he *can* use it.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

177 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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wjwren said:
sorry should of said - the fraud element is that he was put on the insurance without his permission.
It's not fraud. End of. He needs to grow up quickly, because an attitude like that is going to cripple him finically when the divorce starts.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,368 posts

150 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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Just found out my soon to be ex wife has made a new will, and I am still the main beneficiary. And she didn't get my permission. Can I report her for fraud? rolleyes

Your work colleague is a knob, she's well off out of it.

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

170 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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LoonR1 said:
It's not fraud. End of.
Technically, it could be, it depends on her intent and the circumstances.

Davie_GLA

6,521 posts

199 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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Not fraud in any way shape or form. Did she do it to reduce the premium?

Sounds like he's just looking for any way possible to complicate things for her.

Head up and move in for all parties concerned.

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

170 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Just found out my soon to be ex wife has made a new will, and I am still the main beneficiary. And she didn't get my permission. Can I report her for fraud? rolleyes

Your work colleague is a knob, she's well off out of it.
If you think that's an equivalent situation, you need to go back to school, kid.

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

170 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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Davie_GLA said:
Not fraud in any way shape or form. Did she do it to reduce the premium?
Well precisely, you're half way to working it out.

V8forweekends

2,481 posts

124 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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Mr GrimNasty said:
Technically, it could be, it depends on her intent and the circumstances.
No it couldn't. Something she does later may be fraud, but naming someone as a driver without telling them isn't fraud.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,368 posts

150 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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You don't need a person's permission to add them as a named driver on your policy. It's your policy, and if you think there is a remote chance they might have to drive in certain circumstances, you can add them on for your own protection. They don't have to know, or appreciate why you think they might have to drive.

But you need to ensure you know all their current details, re driving history, convictions etc.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,368 posts

150 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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Mr GrimNasty said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Just found out my soon to be ex wife has made a new will, and I am still the main beneficiary. And she didn't get my permission. Can I report her for fraud? rolleyes

Your work colleague is a knob, she's well off out of it.
If you think that's an equivalent situation, you need to go back to school, kid.
It's equivalent in terms of fraud, neither of them are!!

Steffan

10,362 posts

228 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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LoonR1 said:
wjwren said:
sorry should of said - the fraud element is that he was put on the insurance without his permission.
It's not fraud. End of. He needs to grow up quickly, because an attitude like that is going to cripple him finically when the divorce starts.
I entirely agree. The attitude displayed by the male partner complaining is reprehensible and unless he grows up before this matter reaches the courts it will be a very expensive divorce. Sinking to such pathetic levels to score points say much more about the complainant than anything else.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

177 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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Steffan said:
I entirely agree. The attitude displayed by the male partner complaining is reprehensible and unless he grows up before this matter reaches the courts it will be a very expensive divorce. Sinking to such pathetic levels to score points say much more about the complainant than anything else.
Yep. That should say financially too. Big fat blooming fingers

Jon1967x

7,228 posts

124 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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If he phoned up and managed to cancel her policy then that's a problem for him as he's not acted with her consent.

As others suggest, he needs to drop the bitterness before it costs him

Ganglandboss

8,307 posts

203 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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Mr GrimNasty said:
Davie_GLA said:
Not fraud in any way shape or form. Did she do it to reduce the premium?
Well precisely, you're half way to working it out.
Why would that be fraud?

wibble cb

3,606 posts

207 months

Thursday 17th July 2014
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Ganglandboss said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
Davie_GLA said:
Not fraud in any way shape or form. Did she do it to reduce the premium?
Well precisely, you're half way to working it out.
Why would that be fraud?
Obtaining a pecuniary advantage (i.e. the premium paid was lowered due to his name being used as a possible driver) , though I am not sure this is still an offence as such (see link below):

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manu...

So the fraud if there is one, is not on him as such, but rather the insurance co.