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TypeRTom

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504 posts

157 months

Thursday 17th July 2014
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Morning PH! Just been rear ended by a white van driver and looking for advice on getting this sorted out with minimum hassle and with the best chance of leaving me in the position I was in before the incident.

I was stopped behind a queue of traffic and the van behind me didn't see that I had stopped and crashed into the back of me at 20-30mph. I braked gradually to a stop, almost as you would when approaching a red traffic light. Thankfully I'd left a decent distance to the car in front so it was only the van and myself involved. We exchanged details and took photos. No witnesses stopped.

Van is company owned and insured - currently waiting for the details of the insurance from the company that owns the van. My car is worth about £2k and damage is to the rear bumper and tailgate. There is some deformation inside the boot and one of the rear lights is pushed in slightly but not smashed. Van dropped its coolant and my boot still closes and locks - testament to Skoda build quality! My neck is a bit sore at the moment but I'm not in agonising pain or anything.

Phoned 101 and they said I need to report it in person at a police station, so I will do that later today. I'm insured fully comp with Admiral. I will need a courtesy car as I use it for work.

As I see it the options are as follows:
1. Claim from my insurer, pay my excess and they pursue the other party.
2. Inform my insurer of the accident but claim from the other party's insurance company.
3. Instruct an accident management company to sort it out for me.

Not too sure on what the pros and cons are of each option so advice on this will be much appreciated.

Please don't let this turn this into a debate about whiplash claims, equivalent courtesy cars and insurance premium inflation due to accident management companies!

Durzel

12,262 posts

168 months

Thursday 17th July 2014
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Why weren't you given the details of the insurance at the time?

twinturboz

1,278 posts

178 months

Thursday 17th July 2014
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Had more or less the same with Admiral a few weeks back just be aware they will try to push you onto their own accident management company, which doesn't have the greatest reputation.

I went with option 1, as that's what I pay Admiral for, to do the running around on my behalf but I'll leave the experts on here to give you their opinion.

TypeRTom

Original Poster:

504 posts

157 months

Thursday 17th July 2014
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Durzel said:
Why weren't you given the details of the insurance at the time?
Company van - the driver didn't know who they were insured with which is fair enough I thought. I've got the details of the company and the driver's home address so I don't expect any problems getting their insurance details.

CallorFold

832 posts

133 months

Thursday 17th July 2014
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Almost identical to my situation currently and I went with option 3 - primarily because I didn't really know any other way to do it.

I'm insured with Tesco who passed me over to Albany Assistance who sorted out garage for repairs and courtesy car.

Accident was Wednesday last week (identical damage to you've experienced, no injury claims). Courtesy car was dropped off Monday this week, mine was collected by the garage the same day. Phoned the garage yesterday to follow up and was informed my car should be finished today, so I expect it back tomorrow.

I can't comment on the completion of the process or if any issues might arise because I haven't got that far yet, but so far it's been hassle-free and well organised.

On another thread I was made aware of the Courtesy car/Credit Hire cost issues that can arise, if the 3rd Party refuses to cover that cost it's left to me. I think the fee's are something like £80 delivery, and £70 per day hire costs. Looking at the complaints online, the vast majority seem to be either rather old, or the car hire costs are something crazy like £250+ per day so I'm hoping I wont experience any of that.

TypeRTom

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504 posts

157 months

Thursday 17th July 2014
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Thanks guys. Just read this:
http://www.civinfo.com/forum/insurance/100879-help...

Doesn't fill me with confidence about Albany!

twinturboz

1,278 posts

178 months

Thursday 17th July 2014
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TypeRTom said:
Thanks guys. Just read this:
http://www.civinfo.com/forum/insurance/100879-help...

Doesn't fill me with confidence about Albany!
Yup hence why I decided to let Admiral sort it, but I didn't really need a courtesy car urgently and was probably a longer process than using an accident management company.

If your going to go option 3, I believe there's a company run by a Ph'er which seems to be recommended http://www.europaconsultants.co.uk

Edited by twinturboz on Thursday 17th July 12:19

V8forweekends

2,481 posts

124 months

Thursday 17th July 2014
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I've done options 2 and 3 in the past. Option 3 I got provided with an X-type Jag while they repaired my XJ - the courtesy car had an out of date tax disc and there were a number of delays and cock ups over repairing my car. I complained and they sent me a bottle of whisky (but not an apology) - it was hilarious actually, this bottle of whisky turned up - no details, compliments slip or anything. In the end I figured it out from the postmark.

Option 2, I got a weedy but legal and functional Micra courtesy car while they repaired my Saab - they made a decentish job, but to the extremely critical eye it was visible. Repairs were done much more quickly.

I didn't lose out financially in either case. I had a bad neck before anyone crashed into me - it didn't get any worse so I didn't claim.

CallorFold

832 posts

133 months

Thursday 17th July 2014
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TypeRTom said:
Thanks guys. Just read this:
http://www.civinfo.com/forum/insurance/100879-help...

Doesn't fill me with confidence about Albany!
Yeah there's negative stuff everywhere - but then again so is there about most companies, so I guess that's not TOO surprising.

It's mainly the Courtesy car costs that raise alarm bells. Potentially I could be out £430 from a week's hire eek

The case "should" be open shut really, rear ended at traffic lights, driver admitted fault. I have photo's of the incident and all that sort of stuff. Once I have received my car back and handed back the hire car, I'll be chasing Albany to see where they're at with the case.

AngryPartsBloke

1,436 posts

151 months

Thursday 17th July 2014
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TypeRTom said:
Durzel said:
Why weren't you given the details of the insurance at the time?
Company van - the driver didn't know who they were insured with which is fair enough I thought. I've got the details of the company and the driver's home address so I don't expect any problems getting their insurance details.
Unusual that they don't have froms in the glovebox for when they have an accident.

Who me ?

7,455 posts

212 months

Thursday 17th July 2014
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twinturboz said:
Had more or less the same with Admiral a few weeks back just be aware they will try to push you onto their own accident management company, which doesn't have the greatest reputation.

I went with option 1, as that's what I pay Admiral for, to do the running around on my behalf but I'll leave the experts on here to give you their opinion.
For those that watch Telly in the morning, there was a case on "Don't get done get Dom", where a bloke was shunted in a newish car .Third party admitted liability and the ins co said they'd do the work, which was not done to the owners expectations. Advice on program was to let your own insurance company deal with it as then you have legal rights on the repair.

TypeRTom

Original Poster:

504 posts

157 months

Thursday 17th July 2014
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Cheers for the replies. Still waiting for insurance details from the company the driver is employed by, just had false promises so far.

Not rung my insurance co. yet, take it I need to ring them even if I don't claim through them?

tbc

3,017 posts

175 months

Thursday 17th July 2014
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No doubt caused by the white van driving right up your rear end.

Hate to single any particular group out but white van drivers are notorious for driving right up other cars backsides.

Don't forget the obligatory whiplash claim. (joke)




TypeRTom

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504 posts

157 months

Thursday 17th July 2014
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tbc said:
No doubt caused by the white van driving right up your rear end.
He was but I didn't brake hard so even if he was right on my chuff he should've been able to stop in time. The force he hit me with it felt like he didn't even brake!

Durzel

12,262 posts

168 months

Thursday 17th July 2014
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TypeRTom said:
Cheers for the replies. Still waiting for insurance details from the company the driver is employed by, just had false promises so far.
Doesn't bode well does it. It's not the hardest thing to find out if someone just puts their mind to it for 5 minutes (or less).

catman

2,490 posts

175 months

Thursday 17th July 2014
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Legally, you need to inform your Insurer anyway, so why not give them the info that you have and let them deal with it.

They would only need the reg no. of the vehicle. It sounds straight forward and in a way, the amount of damage will prevent any claims that you rolled back into him.

Tim

TypeRTom

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504 posts

157 months

Friday 18th July 2014
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Have notified my insurance. I have legal cover on my policy too. They said I can claim through them without paying my excess and get given a courtesy car.

At the moment it sounds like the only difference if I go through an AMC is that the other party's insurer will have to pay out more because the AMC are involved.

I think my car will probably be uneconomical to repair (probably 4 figures to repair plus courtesy car costs...) so I expect to have a battle to get a fair value paid out for it. Car is 12 years old with 120k but has had over £1000 spent in the last year, bodywork near mint and only one owner before me.

I went to a reputable body repair garage yesterday who will be sending me a quote for the repairs. If the car gets repaired I would much rather use this garage than somewhere the insurance company would like me to use.

thescamper

920 posts

226 months

Friday 18th July 2014
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OP, In no particular order.

1.You can take your car anywhere to be repaired it is your choice, don't be bullied by your company.
2.If not a write off the repairer you choose may have a loan car that you can have whilst yours is being repaired.
3.If a write off do not accept the first offer that the insurance company gives you, you can negotiate.
4.DO NOT allow the insurance company to take the car from the repairer until you have agreed a settlement, do not allow them to bully you into handing over the car.
5.Accident management companies are only out to make as much money from us motorists as they can, the garage that recommends them will be getting a referral fee.
6.The car provided by accident management companies will be on a credit hire basis and will be your liability if the third party or their insurers don't/can't/won't pay up. Can run into thousands.
7.If it was me I would claim on my insurance to get things moving quickly.

ch108

1,127 posts

133 months

Friday 18th July 2014
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TypeRTom said:
Durzel said:
Why weren't you given the details of the insurance at the time?
Company van - the driver didn't know who they were insured with which is fair enough I thought. I've got the details of the company and the driver's home address so I don't expect any problems getting their insurance details.
Same thing happened to me a couple of years back. Hit by a transit. Driver gave me his bosses details, company address etc. My insurance was with Admiral. Called them, they contacted the other drivers company, and my car was in the body shop within a week. (Car was still driveable, similar damage to the OP). Personally I think your own insurance company should do the leg work, after all that's what you pay them for and even if you decided not to involve them and deal direct with the other guys insurance, you would still have to declare to your insurance you had been in an accident anyway.

I think I had some sort of legal protection run by Admirals accident management company who were notified by default. I wasn't trying to claim for anything other than getting my car fixed so not sure why they got involved! But they were useless. One month after the accident they emailed me to say they had been unable to trace the other driver. Despite the fact I had given full details to Admiral 1 day after the accident! Politely told them to go away!

creampuff

6,511 posts

143 months

Friday 18th July 2014
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TypeRTom said:
crashed into the back of me at 20-30mph. My car is worth about £2k and damage is to the rear bumper and tailgate.
The van may have been going at 20 or 30 beforehand but not at the time of impact. More like 10mph at the time of impact.