TFL Fine - Payment In Cash
Discussion
Oli.
Thank you. Maybe I should not have entered details, as to make it more impersonal.
I have not asked for an opinion of am I being childish/dummy spitter/prick/whatever.
There are only rare occasions I post now- I don't think this place is what it once used to be.
You ask for impartial advice on theoretical issues, and of course done propel just use it as a to to take
an opposite view.
Thank you. Maybe I should not have entered details, as to make it more impersonal.
I have not asked for an opinion of am I being childish/dummy spitter/prick/whatever.
There are only rare occasions I post now- I don't think this place is what it once used to be.
You ask for impartial advice on theoretical issues, and of course done propel just use it as a to to take
an opposite view.
zcacogp said:
Let's go back to the original (interesting) Q. Offering to pay a fine to a government body in the coin of the realm is not unreasonable, and I wonder if refusal is lawful? Can anyone shed any light?
Oli.
Oli.
Internet? Yes. I have. I'm on it now....
Was working over in Tooting at the time.
Yes I got the money back.
New card, used a week later. Same high St, same food store, different branch.
Same thing happened again for a smaller amount.
Hence my then sticking 2 fingers up and thinking I'll stick to using cash.
The only risk I then have is not being a target for fraud, but getting mugged.
Bizarrely, shops still accept cash but, they sometimes looked shocked when you
produce it...
Did you get the money back?
If not - why not?
If so - what's the problem.
We all have personal admin to sort out that takes time away from work/family/fapping/other hobbies.
I am pretty confident that paying for everything in cash rather than a card is adding more to your burden than sucking up the risk of being defrauded again.
Have you heard of the internet? It's quite a big deal.
Sometimes ordering items online can save you both time and money.
Unfortunately you can't buy those things with cash.
So, in short, you are bonkers!!
(Good luck with sticking it to the man though - I hate TFL.)
Was working over in Tooting at the time.
Yes I got the money back.
New card, used a week later. Same high St, same food store, different branch.
Same thing happened again for a smaller amount.
Hence my then sticking 2 fingers up and thinking I'll stick to using cash.
The only risk I then have is not being a target for fraud, but getting mugged.
Bizarrely, shops still accept cash but, they sometimes looked shocked when you
produce it...
walm said:
deanrufleg said:
In the small hours of the morning I had contact from Barclays saying card had been suspended due to transactions for about £4k.
Hence my reluctance to use a card really.
Happy now?
Not really.Hence my reluctance to use a card really.
Happy now?
Did you get the money back?
If not - why not?
If so - what's the problem.
We all have personal admin to sort out that takes time away from work/family/fapping/other hobbies.
I am pretty confident that paying for everything in cash rather than a card is adding more to your burden than sucking up the risk of being defrauded again.
Have you heard of the internet? It's quite a big deal.
Sometimes ordering items online can save you both time and money.
Unfortunately you can't buy those things with cash.
So, in short, you are bonkers!!
(Good luck with sticking it to the man though - I hate TFL.)
Maybe you should send them this link
http://www.highways.gov.uk/news/press-releases/pay... and ask them to consider being more diverse in their collection methods
If a half baked gov agency on a half baked scheme not yet live can manage it surely TFL must be able to manage it ?.
I bet you don't use London buses much either ? http://www.tfl.gov.uk/campaign/ways-to-pay
http://www.highways.gov.uk/news/press-releases/pay... and ask them to consider being more diverse in their collection methods
If a half baked gov agency on a half baked scheme not yet live can manage it surely TFL must be able to manage it ?.
I bet you don't use London buses much either ? http://www.tfl.gov.uk/campaign/ways-to-pay
Whilst certainly an element of 'the pram' here (with reason in my opinion as I detest TFL as well,but that's by the by..) it is a valid and simple question and point raised,offering to pay the full amount in cash.How can this be legally refused? Granted if in small coins etc then limits apply but the OP has said he will pay with notes so ok here, I am not aware that it is compulsory to actually even have a bank account or credit card or even a PC for that matter,surely you cannot be made to purchase a postal order neither? Why on earth can you not pay in cash? Not your problem if TFL in their wisdom did not set up a facility to do so.
Totally different to a purchasing situation whereby a shop/other party can stipulate what payment terms they accept,you can obviously refuse to agree and go elsewhere or go without. A fine leaves you no choice but to pay so again why cant you pay in cash? I suspect when push comes to shove they will have to accept it as I cant see any 'court' (should it get that far ) saying you are being unreasonable here.
Its all down to revenue tactics anyways, virtual camera,auto fine sent out,virtual payment back.They do not want the expense of handling cash but again that is not your problem.
Totally different to a purchasing situation whereby a shop/other party can stipulate what payment terms they accept,you can obviously refuse to agree and go elsewhere or go without. A fine leaves you no choice but to pay so again why cant you pay in cash? I suspect when push comes to shove they will have to accept it as I cant see any 'court' (should it get that far ) saying you are being unreasonable here.
Its all down to revenue tactics anyways, virtual camera,auto fine sent out,virtual payment back.They do not want the expense of handling cash but again that is not your problem.
bigee said:
Whilst certainly an element of 'the pram' here (with reason in my opinion as I detest TFL as well,but that's by the by..) it is a valid and simple question and point raised,offering to pay the full amount in cash.How can this be legally refused? Granted if in small coins etc then limits apply but the OP has said he will pay with notes so ok here, I am not aware that it is compulsory to actually even have a bank account or credit card or even a PC for that matter,surely you cannot be made to purchase a postal order neither? Why on earth can you not pay in cash? Not your problem if TFL in their wisdom did not set up a facility to do so.
Totally different to a purchasing situation whereby a shop/other party can stipulate what payment terms they accept,you can obviously refuse to agree and go elsewhere or go without. A fine leaves you no choice but to pay so again why cant you pay in cash? I suspect when push comes to shove they will have to accept it as I cant see any 'court' (should it get that far ) saying you are being unreasonable here.
Its all down to revenue tactics anyways, virtual camera,auto fine sent out,virtual payment back.They do not want the expense of handling cash but again that is not your problem.
'legal tender' has very specific meaning and purpose ... paying a fine may not be something which you can force the acceptance of cash Totally different to a purchasing situation whereby a shop/other party can stipulate what payment terms they accept,you can obviously refuse to agree and go elsewhere or go without. A fine leaves you no choice but to pay so again why cant you pay in cash? I suspect when push comes to shove they will have to accept it as I cant see any 'court' (should it get that far ) saying you are being unreasonable here.
Its all down to revenue tactics anyways, virtual camera,auto fine sent out,virtual payment back.They do not want the expense of handling cash but again that is not your problem.
most banks and building socieities will do a counter cheque for free / nominal (pennies / pound) free for a sum like that , saving proper banker;s drafts for larger sums.
Stoofa said:
Monkeylegend said:
Out of interest how much does a £65 postal order actually cost?
£73.12 totalhttp://www.postoffice.co.uk/postal-orders
mph1977 said:
'legal tender' has very specific meaning and purpose ... paying a fine may not be something which you can force the acceptance of cash
most banks and building socieities will do a counter cheque for free / nominal (pennies / pound) free for a sum like that , saving proper banker;s drafts for larger sums.
Fair point,but again what 'if' you didn't have a bank account? Genuinely interested in the outcome here.most banks and building socieities will do a counter cheque for free / nominal (pennies / pound) free for a sum like that , saving proper banker;s drafts for larger sums.
I think they probably would accept it, but tell people they don't because they don't want the hassle of processing, arguments about the amounts sent/received, and Royal Mail and their own workers stealing it. I can't imagine them wanting to double the risk by posting it back!
On the legality as a debt - I expect it's written into legislation that the methods of payment for reduced or pre-court amounts can be restricted.
On the legality as a debt - I expect it's written into legislation that the methods of payment for reduced or pre-court amounts can be restricted.
deanrufleg said:
pork911 said:
do you only pay cash for all your bills now?
Over the past 3 months, yes. I do/have.Don't think I'm committing any offence by doing so.
I can only imagine your reaction when there's some more fraudulent activity despite your new approach.
So the problem is you don't want to use a credit card in shops due to valid concerns about fraud etc.
But your don't want to use your card online on a trusted publicly owned uk website or telephone line.
I think you do have a credit or debit card? So what do you use it for?
How do you pay for car or house insurance, internet access, phone contracts, web purchases. All by direct debits or cheques?
Therefore pay online or send them a cheque.
But your don't want to use your card online on a trusted publicly owned uk website or telephone line.
I think you do have a credit or debit card? So what do you use it for?
How do you pay for car or house insurance, internet access, phone contracts, web purchases. All by direct debits or cheques?
Therefore pay online or send them a cheque.
The point being though is why should the OP be 'forced' to accept these terms? Cash is perfectly acceptable in courts etc,indeed in various council departments as well.To ask to pay the full amount in correct money,not silly amounts of change etc, seems perfectly reasonable to me. It might be pedantic/spitting of dummies etc but can anybody show me the law that states he cannot pay in cash?
Firstly; you probably have a trojan of some sort on your computer and that's how they are getting your bank details.
To have a card skimmed twice in quick succession seems to much of a coincidence.
Get your computer checked, and your phone and anything else that you connect with.
And change your passwords.
Secondly; I'm surprised you can't pay cash
If you just want to solve the problem without making a big sing and dance hive the cash to a mate and have them pay online.
If you're trying to win a point if principle ,- well, have fun.
To have a card skimmed twice in quick succession seems to much of a coincidence.
Get your computer checked, and your phone and anything else that you connect with.
And change your passwords.
Secondly; I'm surprised you can't pay cash
If you just want to solve the problem without making a big sing and dance hive the cash to a mate and have them pay online.
If you're trying to win a point if principle ,- well, have fun.
Snowboy said:
Firstly; you probably have a trojan of some sort on your computer and that's how they are getting your bank details.
To have a card skimmed twice in quick succession seems to much of a coincidence.
Get your computer checked, and your phone and anything else that you connect with.
And change your passwords.
Potentially yes but the OP used 2 branches of the same shop in the same street in Tooting, quite possible if one is at it, the other is tooTo have a card skimmed twice in quick succession seems to much of a coincidence.
Get your computer checked, and your phone and anything else that you connect with.
And change your passwords.
"If you're trying to win a point if principle ,- well, have fun."
To have laws/rules etc then we must have principles though. What law states that you cannot use cash to discharge a penalty charge ? (there may well be one but enlighten me !)
Cashless society is coming whether you see it or not.....where's my tin hat and foil ??!!
To have laws/rules etc then we must have principles though. What law states that you cannot use cash to discharge a penalty charge ? (there may well be one but enlighten me !)
Cashless society is coming whether you see it or not.....where's my tin hat and foil ??!!
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