Racially abused - advice please.
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Another random bank search. And there's plenty more fin services companies in the FTSE250.
Life insures, asset managers, it suppliers etc..
http://www.barclays.com/content/dam/barclayspublic...
Is this board profile more to your liking?
http://www.barclays.com/about-barclays/leadership-...
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Of course, Ian believes all this must be lies as otherwise it means he is living in the past.
http://www.barclays.com/citizenship/the-way-we-do-...
The financial services industry is diverse and I am glad it is.
Life insures, asset managers, it suppliers etc..
http://www.barclays.com/content/dam/barclayspublic...
Is this board profile more to your liking?
http://www.barclays.com/about-barclays/leadership-...
.
Of course, Ian believes all this must be lies as otherwise it means he is living in the past.
http://www.barclays.com/citizenship/the-way-we-do-...
The financial services industry is diverse and I am glad it is.
DeanR32 said:
Skipping all the nonsense, how is this going OP?
Nothing much to report as yet. After giving the details of what happened to the officer which visited, the other half had a call the following day (last Tuesday, 28th) from the officer who the case has been allocated to. I believe they have also been in contact with the friend the other half was meeting at the time of the incident as she obviously saw/heard what happened.The original officer who came out said the most likely plan would be to try and obtain some CCTV images of the offender and try to identify him, most likely by circulating any images among themselves as people who do this sort of thing have often come to the attention of the police previously.
In any case, I know nothing much about the law but a quick google of the Public Order Act suggests section 5 is pretty low on the scale so if they do find him it probably won't lead to anymore than 'words of advice'.
IanA2 said:
Hol said:
IanA2 said:
So you think BAME's get better treated than women? That seems to be the logic in what you are saying.
As to your "supposed meeting" stuff, you've lost me.
I'm not upset about anything you have said. What upsets me is the misery caused by descrimination, in whatever form it takes.
ETA: I've had a look at your link. Fine words indeed. Any stats to suggest that the words are turned into action or, if we look at the Board, will we find that it is predominately white and male.?
Maybe we should just wait for the Inquiry to inform us.
Don't put words in my mouth, I have told you what I think already, and I resent your trying to pretend I am saying something else.As to your "supposed meeting" stuff, you've lost me.
I'm not upset about anything you have said. What upsets me is the misery caused by descrimination, in whatever form it takes.
ETA: I've had a look at your link. Fine words indeed. Any stats to suggest that the words are turned into action or, if we look at the Board, will we find that it is predominately white and male.?
Maybe we should just wait for the Inquiry to inform us.
Edited by IanA2 on Thursday 31st July 20:11
I have given you proof, but if your own prejudices make you think an entire industry and companies with tens of thousands of people in them are lying and all those senior people don't exist....(because that differs to YOUR view).
Then you are either bonkers, or you just get your kicks from trying to create racial hatred.
Facts:
Lloyds Banking Group
The Board
Twelve Exec and Non-Execs.
Of which:
• Nine are men
• Three are women
• None are BAMES
Getting the picture ?
ETA: See http://www.lloydsbankinggroup.com/our-group/direct...
Edited by IanA2 on Friday 1st August 03:25
What do you make of Pret a Manger's approach to diversity in the workplace?
Bigends said:
It'll be a racially aggravated S4A (not S5) offence - comments were directed at the victim intending to alarm/distress
I would have thought so, but the officer who came and took the details initially definitely said 'racially aggravated section 5' when she was calling it in for the crime reference, so presumably she didn't think it met the criteria for S4A.andy118run said:
I would have thought so, but the officer who came and took the details initially definitely said 'racially aggravated section 5' when she was calling it in for the crime reference, so presumably she didn't think it met the criteria for S4A.
By saying what he said its fairly clear what did he intended to do. Classify these daily as 4A at work. Officers at my end often dont know the difference and refer to all such incidents as S5. Certainly for recording purposes its a 4A.- ********************UPDATE***************************
To those on here who said don't bother, I now see where you were coming from. Would I/we bother to report something like this is future? Almost certainly not.
andy118run said:
**********************UPDATE***************************
So the other half has received a letter today from the officer dealing with this case. Basically saying the CCTV has been studied but does not cover the area of the incident and no people matching the offender's description could be identified leaving the area. Therefore, the case is closed.
To those on here who said don't bother, I now see where you were coming from. Would I/we bother to report something like this is future? Almost certainly not.
You can't expect a 100% crime clear up rate. It's always worth reporting. In a few years there may be another Stephen Lawrence type incident and your wife might recognise the face of the accused. Then it will have been very well worth reporting.So the other half has received a letter today from the officer dealing with this case. Basically saying the CCTV has been studied but does not cover the area of the incident and no people matching the offender's description could be identified leaving the area. Therefore, the case is closed.
To those on here who said don't bother, I now see where you were coming from. Would I/we bother to report something like this is future? Almost certainly not.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
You can't expect a 100% crime clear up rate. It's always worth reporting. In a few years there may be another Stephen Lawrence type incident and your wife might recognise the face of the accused. Then it will have been very well worth reporting.
I guess you have a point, though I suppose she might recognise his face regardless of whether she had reported it. Considering he wasn't identified and linked to this offence it probably wouldn't be relevant anyway.It just feels to me a little more could have been done - since this happened I've read several appeals for witnesses on the Norfolk police website and local press for similarly trivial incidents such as people being verbally abused in the city but nothing for this incident. I also find it pretty hard to believe CCTV did not pick up at some point, maybe entering or leaving the place as there are cameras all over there.
andy118run said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
You can't expect a 100% crime clear up rate. It's always worth reporting. In a few years there may be another Stephen Lawrence type incident and your wife might recognise the face of the accused. Then it will have been very well worth reporting.
I guess you have a point, though I suppose she might recognise his face regardless of whether she had reported it. Considering he wasn't identified and linked to this offence it probably wouldn't be relevant anyway.andy118run said:
**********************UPDATE***************************
So the other half has received a letter today from the officer dealing with this case. Basically saying the CCTV has been studied but does not cover the area of the incident and no people matching the offender's description could be identified leaving the area. Therefore, the case is closed.
To those on here who said don't bother, I now see where you were coming from. Would I/we bother to report something like this is future? Almost certainly not.
Don't worry about it. Some people will always say you could do more.So the other half has received a letter today from the officer dealing with this case. Basically saying the CCTV has been studied but does not cover the area of the incident and no people matching the offender's description could be identified leaving the area. Therefore, the case is closed.
To those on here who said don't bother, I now see where you were coming from. Would I/we bother to report something like this is future? Almost certainly not.
Put it down to a disappointment in people and get on with your life.
Mk3Spitfire said:
So just because on this instance, the offender wasn't located and tracked down (from a busy, high footfall area) it was all a complete waste of time, the police are crap, and anarchy should reign?
No, not really. As mentioned in my original post, my parents were both police officers, my dad a Sgt in Suffolk police for many years so I am generally inclined to be rather pro-police and appreciate the difficult work they do.Edited by Mk3Spitfire on Wednesday 6th August 11:27
However, I suspect that had this chap killed/seriously injured/committed an armed robbery (basically committed a more 'serious' crime) a CCTV image of him would have been found - it's a busy city centre shopping mall full of CCTV cameras, for cripes sake!
Anyway, I can see how the police don't really have resources to be looking into something like this in any depth. Which is why I probably would not bother to report such an incident again (if I witnessed something like this in progress I would be inclined to call in though as that was maybe the window of opportunity which was missed in this case).
The other little thing that niggled me about this was the letter received today. A second class letter in the post, telling you there's no evidence and the crime is closed. Really? If the police can be bothered to visit and take details, you would think they would at least make a phone call and say 'Sorry, we did our best but we've had to close this one etc.' Surely would have been quicker than writing a letter, in any case, and mean a little bit more.
andy118run said:
However, I suspect that had this chap killed/seriously injured/committed an armed robbery (basically committed a more 'serious' crime) a CCTV image of him would have been found - it's a busy city centre shopping mall full of CCTV cameras, for cripes sake!
Yes, you'd have a whole team on a murder just dedicated to CCTV where there'd be 1000s of available hours to spend on it. andy118run said:
The other little thing that niggled me about this was the letter received today. A second class letter in the post, telling you there's no evidence and the crime is closed.
Agreed. A phone call is much better. It may be a 'mass-produced' production-line type system where a small group of people send letters out to everyone. No ideal, but efficient. Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff