Parking Eye - £100 "fine" for meeting someone @ Fleet servic
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OP same thing happened to me 18 months ago, I took advice from this forum! Search Pistonheads/Google for Parking Eye there are some legal beagles with good advice. I decided to ignore the 'penalty' and they sent me three more letters each one more threatening than the last, but after 12 months I didn't hear from them again. Having said all that, I believe the law has changed recently so you do need to hear from some one who really knows.
LoonR1 said:
And here come the communists. Meat is murder, land can not be owned blah, blah.
I don't see why a company that owns land can't charge you for using it, especially as they let you stay for free for a while too.
Absolutely. If you don't like the rules, do what I do and don't use the service areas for any reason, ever. It's not that difficult to do. As they are pretty crappy in very way, there's nothing to be missed. I don't see why a company that owns land can't charge you for using it, especially as they let you stay for free for a while too.
pmjg66 said:
This,offer to pay them for the extra time ie a couple of pounds.
If they refuse,just say to them,you would like to resolve this in a court of law,it would be laughed out of court there so called fine !3
Parents were accused by the same company last year of overstaying
there 1hr limit (they paid for 2hrs)
We just ignored the 3 threatening letters and heard nothing since,although the law has changed and you are legally obliged to say who the driver was,but that is all.
Really ? Show me the evidence and someone will be getting a "strongly worded letter" If they refuse,just say to them,you would like to resolve this in a court of law,it would be laughed out of court there so called fine !3
Parents were accused by the same company last year of overstaying
there 1hr limit (they paid for 2hrs)
We just ignored the 3 threatening letters and heard nothing since,although the law has changed and you are legally obliged to say who the driver was,but that is all.
They ain't allowed to charge until 2 hours, If they had their way you may be paying to p!ss and park like many continentals
As you were
silverfoxcc said:
Nigel and Loon
you have just started reading this reply and need to read the small print that says,
You must read this post within two hours. If you are still here, reading this post more than two hours later
it will cost you £20.00 and you should send the money to me
Fair?
Thought not
now whats the difference?
you have just started reading this reply and need to read the small print that says,
You must read this post within two hours. If you are still here, reading this post more than two hours later
it will cost you £20.00 and you should send the money to me
Fair?
Thought not
now whats the difference?
Edited by silverfoxcc on Saturday 26th July 21:01
speedyguy said:
Really ? Show me the evidence and someone will be getting a "strongly worded letter"
The evidence has been carefully sorted along with the nice letters of piss take 
think they went here...
The parents stopped at a pay and display in the lake district...
Edited by pmjg66 on Saturday 26th July 23:02
The pisstake now of course is that the TV is full of adverts saying don't drive tired, take a break etc, same as signs all over the motorway matrix signs, and as advertised by all the big motoring groups....
So what is your choice? Stop & have a pee/bite to eat/ drink & a decent snooze, and pay £100 "fine" (or the ridiculous £25 charge if you pay on site) or just plough on regardless & hope to f
k you don't fall asleep & plough into the opposite side of the motorway?
Do they want us to be safe to drive or not? Road safety or private parking company profits? Utter joke.
And before the normal barrage of the usual suspects saying well should not need more than two hrs stop, there are 66 million + people in this country, a huge amount will have a licence to drive, at some point in their driving career I would bet that they have driven in a state where two hours more kip would have helped.....
The French have the right idea, free clean & tidy rest areas every 10km, to encourage taking sensible breaks....
So what is your choice? Stop & have a pee/bite to eat/ drink & a decent snooze, and pay £100 "fine" (or the ridiculous £25 charge if you pay on site) or just plough on regardless & hope to f
k you don't fall asleep & plough into the opposite side of the motorway?Do they want us to be safe to drive or not? Road safety or private parking company profits? Utter joke.
And before the normal barrage of the usual suspects saying well should not need more than two hrs stop, there are 66 million + people in this country, a huge amount will have a licence to drive, at some point in their driving career I would bet that they have driven in a state where two hours more kip would have helped.....
The French have the right idea, free clean & tidy rest areas every 10km, to encourage taking sensible breaks....
pmjg66 said:
he evidence has been carefully sorted along with the nice letters of piss take
The parents stopped at a pay and display in the lake district...
It wouldn't matter anyway, the way you wrote the sentence using there instead of their, They were chased by the same parking company working for a different organisation with a different set of rules, why didn't you say The parents stopped at a pay and display in the lake district...
RWD cossie wil said:
The pisstake now of course is that the TV is full of adverts saying don't drive tired, take a break etc, same as signs all over the motorway matrix signs, and as advertised by all the big motoring groups....
So what is your choice? Stop & have a pee/bite to eat/ drink & a decent snooze, and pay £100 "fine" (or the ridiculous £25 charge if you pay on site) or just plough on regardless & hope to fk you don't fall asleep & plough into the opposite side of the motorway?
Do they want us to be safe to drive or not? Road safety or private parking company profits? Utter joke.
And before the normal barrage of the usual suspects saying well should not need more than two hrs stop, there are 66 million + people in this country, a huge amount will have a licence to drive, at some point in their driving career I would bet that they have driven in a state where two hours more kip would have helped.....
The French have the right idea, free clean & tidy rest areas every 10km, to encourage taking sensible breaks....
The advice is don't drive tired, Here's a link to the info have another read about breaks and maybe think about personal responsibility ? http://think.direct.gov.uk/fatigue.htmlSo what is your choice? Stop & have a pee/bite to eat/ drink & a decent snooze, and pay £100 "fine" (or the ridiculous £25 charge if you pay on site) or just plough on regardless & hope to f
k you don't fall asleep & plough into the opposite side of the motorway?Do they want us to be safe to drive or not? Road safety or private parking company profits? Utter joke.
And before the normal barrage of the usual suspects saying well should not need more than two hrs stop, there are 66 million + people in this country, a huge amount will have a licence to drive, at some point in their driving career I would bet that they have driven in a state where two hours more kip would have helped.....
The French have the right idea, free clean & tidy rest areas every 10km, to encourage taking sensible breaks....
The French operate along a more PH laissez faire style, The rest areas etc along the typical motorway routes are funded by the toll operators paid for by the users, think of your road toll as a "parking fee" even if you don't use it.
The British system is a semi PH sysyem all the MSA's are privately run and have to charge to run a business on a turnover based model.
If the govt get their way it will move to a more PH system of road tolls, pay per use, price the poor off the road to manage demand and promote more privately funded road schemes similar to the "shadow tolling" system already in operation.
When the HA is moved to a Govco and when road pricing rears it's head the Gov can then shrug it's shoulders and "Ain't me gov it's that nasty roads company".
If you want a comparison think of energy prices and transfer that to "toll pricing"
speedyguy said:
pmjg66 said:
he evidence has been carefully sorted along with the nice letters of piss take
The parents stopped at a pay and display in the lake district...
It wouldn't matter anyway, the way you wrote the sentence using there instead of their, They were chased by the same parking company working for a different organisation with a different set of rules, why didn't you say The parents stopped at a pay and display in the lake district...
Whats the rules crap.I only mentioned how the correspondence from this company was treated in our case !
Don't jump to assumptions every case is identical or you could fail.
speedyguy said:
RWD cossie wil said:
The pisstake now of course is that the TV is full of adverts saying don't drive tired, take a break etc, same as signs all over the motorway matrix signs, and as advertised by all the big motoring groups....
So what is your choice? Stop & have a pee/bite to eat/ drink & a decent snooze, and pay £100 "fine" (or the ridiculous £25 charge if you pay on site) or just plough on regardless & hope to fk you don't fall asleep & plough into the opposite side of the motorway?
Do they want us to be safe to drive or not? Road safety or private parking company profits? Utter joke.
And before the normal barrage of the usual suspects saying well should not need more than two hrs stop, there are 66 million + people in this country, a huge amount will have a licence to drive, at some point in their driving career I would bet that they have driven in a state where two hours more kip would have helped.....
The French have the right idea, free clean & tidy rest areas every 10km, to encourage taking sensible breaks....
The advice is don't drive tired, Here's a link to the info have another read about breaks and maybe think about personal responsibility ? http://think.direct.gov.uk/fatigue.htmlSo what is your choice? Stop & have a pee/bite to eat/ drink & a decent snooze, and pay £100 "fine" (or the ridiculous £25 charge if you pay on site) or just plough on regardless & hope to f
k you don't fall asleep & plough into the opposite side of the motorway?Do they want us to be safe to drive or not? Road safety or private parking company profits? Utter joke.
And before the normal barrage of the usual suspects saying well should not need more than two hrs stop, there are 66 million + people in this country, a huge amount will have a licence to drive, at some point in their driving career I would bet that they have driven in a state where two hours more kip would have helped.....
The French have the right idea, free clean & tidy rest areas every 10km, to encourage taking sensible breaks....
The French operate along a more PH laissez faire style, The rest areas etc along the typical motorway routes are funded by the toll operators paid for by the users, think of your road toll as a "parking fee" even if you don't use it.
The British system is a semi PH sysyem all the MSA's are privately run and have to charge to run a business on a turnover based model.
If the govt get their way it will move to a more PH system of road tolls, pay per use, price the poor off the road to manage demand and promote more privately funded road schemes similar to the "shadow tolling" system already in operation.
When the HA is moved to a Govco and when road pricing rears it's head the Gov can then shrug it's shoulders and "Ain't me gov it's that nasty roads company".
If you want a comparison think of energy prices and transfer that to "toll pricing"
Nigel Worc's said:
It costs a fortune to run these services, they are obliged to give you two hours free.
Oh boo hoo! 
If it costs them to run a business then they wouldn't be doing it.
And, if nobody parked for longer than 2 hours then they wouldn't be making any money from parking anyway.
talksthetorque said:
As you were with a friend dogging chatting for two and a half hours you stopped at least seven cars parking in that spot and buying items from the services.(at a conservative 20 minutes each) If these cars all had 5 people in ( I won't go crazy and say they were all people carriers)
That's 35 x large coffees+ 35 x dead dog and mustard panini from costa, and 35 copies of Razzle or Which Pony from WH Smith. I make that over £400 of turnover. I'm sure the Gross profit at a service station is more than 25% so you can argue that £100 is getting off lightly.
A. This only works if the car park had no free spacesThat's 35 x large coffees+ 35 x dead dog and mustard panini from costa, and 35 copies of Razzle or Which Pony from WH Smith. I make that over £400 of turnover. I'm sure the Gross profit at a service station is more than 25% so you can argue that £100 is getting off lightly.
B. You assume that these people buy stuff, they may just go to the toilet resulting in a net cost to the operator of the facility
C. Its unlikely that the landowner is the operator, the land owner will be renting to the operators who will pay a fixed rent, so the landowner cannot demonstrate a loss incurred through someone failing to pay
Nigel Worc's said:
I absolutely agree, and I'm happy to pay if I exceed the time.
It costs a fortune to run these services, they are obliged to give you two hours free.
They already make you pay way over the top for goods in the shop, and in the food outlets... e.g. an extra £1 for a coffee in COSTA!It costs a fortune to run these services, they are obliged to give you two hours free.
A chap picks up a sandwich and a 500ml bottle of water in a services, and takes them to the check out - picking up a bag of crisps on the way.
"Sorry" he says to the check out assistant, "I only have a £20 note."
"That's OK" says the assistant, "you can put the crisps back."
LoonR1 said:
g3org3y said:
LoonR1 said:
Kitchski said:
Any thoughts?
Yes. First thought is pay up. - Make a soft appeal directly to the private parking company (who will reject it).
- Obtain a POPLA code from the parking company (will be in the rejection letter).
- Use the code to appeal directly to POPLA (see MSE/Pepipoo on example letters).
- Win the case.
I don't see why a company that owns land can't charge you for using it, especially as they let you stay for free for a while too.
I simply don't feel >£50 (in fact anything >£5) is a reasonable fine for overstaying in a free car park, especially one with lots of vacant spaces so said overstay makes no practical difference to anyone. It's opportunistic money making.
The conclusion of my issue with Smart Parking last year:
Loon, feel free to carry on paying. More money than sense comrade? Or perhaps will you be arguing that you are doing the 'proper' thing?
These private companies operate not because of some moral duty to uphold the greater good. They exist primarily to make money and scaremonger individuals into paying wildly inflated
I have no sympathy for these private parking firms and will continue to appeal to POPLA as I see fit.
Edited by g3org3y on Sunday 27th July 10:30
LoonR1 said:
I wonder how many of you would be so keen to defend me if I parked on your drive?
Hang on, dear fruit. That'd as daft an argument as claiming that "business" and "SD&P" categories of driving are one and the same. And I'm pretty sure you wouldn't say that.Perhaps you'd like to find a different comparison; perhaps one that's more supportive of your argument?
LoonR1 said:
I wonder how many of you would be so keen to defend me if I parked on your drive?
I think that argument would need to look at the "intended use of land".The intended use of a public car park is for the public to park their cars there. Just about all of these used to be free up and down the country a while ago, and now there are a number of parasitic companies viewing this land as a means to make somebody very rich.
Is your private driveway intended for public parking or just your own private use parking? There is a clear difference in the intention of use of the land and I've seen the private driveway example being used before in these PPC threads. To me I don't think it sticks.
Bloody hell, you lot do get all defensive about this.
The fact is that somebody owns some land and wants to control who uses it. Do you guys just roll up and park wherever you want with impunity?
I'm damn sure not all of you will have company parking, so where do you park? On the street, or in another company's car park? They're unlikely to own the building and car park.
The fact is that somebody owns some land and wants to control who uses it. Do you guys just roll up and park wherever you want with impunity?
I'm damn sure not all of you will have company parking, so where do you park? On the street, or in another company's car park? They're unlikely to own the building and car park.
AA999 said:
I think that argument would need to look at the "intended use of land".
The intended use of a public car park is for the public to park their cars there. Just about all of these used to be free up and down the country a while ago, and now there are a number of parasitic companies viewing this land as a means to make somebody very rich.
Who is the real parasite though, the PPC's or the certain element of the driving public that believe it is there God given right to park for as long as they like?The intended use of a public car park is for the public to park their cars there. Just about all of these used to be free up and down the country a while ago, and now there are a number of parasitic companies viewing this land as a means to make somebody very rich.
Without the latter there would be no former ....
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