Parking Eye - £100 "fine" for meeting someone @ Fleet servic
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Boosted LS1 said:
If there were any empty spaces to park in then they haven't made a loss of profit because they car park wan't full to capacity.
That's an over simplistic analysis.If the services you're approaching was always 80% full and you had to park miles from the entrance, and the next one after that 25% and you could always park by the door, which is the most likely you'll visit?
Of course, in considering the above, it's almost impossible to quantify how much damage people who park beyond the allowed time cause. Which is why liquidated damages would be the ideal solution.
Except one thing;
Most services allow you to park for as long as you like, in return for a parking fee if you stay beyond 2 hours. If you overstay the free period, you then owe them the parking fee for the period of parking. If the parking fee is £10, they cannot reasonably claim liquidated damages of £100 for breach of contract. You were allowed to park there, you just owe them the money for doing so (plus a small amount for chasing you for payment).
Were the contract to forbid you from staying beyond two hours, then there would be a case for arguing liquidated damages due to the damage you cause to the wider business by clogging the car park, but from the usual contracts, it appears they're perfectly happy for you to do so if you pay them for the pleasure.
Many thanks to those who helped. I appealed to PE, had it rejected, submitted appeal to POPLA who decided it wasn't valid and threw it out. PE emailed to say they were dropping it the next day.
As I've said, I'd have paid it if it was a reasonable sum, but it wasn't. They tried to take the piss and they failed.
As I've said, I'd have paid it if it was a reasonable sum, but it wasn't. They tried to take the piss and they failed.
Another one to add to MSE's list of PE failures at POPLA. 
I don't think the case should have been thrown out.
YOU missed the sign (which is visible clearly, as I've been to Fleet services recently many times), YOU over stayed the free stay. Ergo, you got fined. The fault is not with the parking company but with you for your lack of observation.
In your earlier posts you state that you did not see any signs warning you (as in, implication that you missed them).
And yes, staying at a motorway services for 2 hours and 30 minutes with one complete stranger is a bit gay. Especially when money was trading hands and you didn't so much as go inside or buy anything.
Now the fine may not be "fair" but it is the fine never the less and is displayed in the car park, not only on the entrance but on signs nearer to the building.
It's EXACTLY the same as doing 40 in a 30, but claiming you didn't see the 30mph sign... you'd still get 3 points.
Now I am glad you didn't have to pay up - and well done for sticking it out - but take it as a warning that you got off, rather than setting an example that you can do this sort of thing regularly (that is, meeting up to go dogging with people in exchange for car parts).
YOU missed the sign (which is visible clearly, as I've been to Fleet services recently many times), YOU over stayed the free stay. Ergo, you got fined. The fault is not with the parking company but with you for your lack of observation.
In your earlier posts you state that you did not see any signs warning you (as in, implication that you missed them).
And yes, staying at a motorway services for 2 hours and 30 minutes with one complete stranger is a bit gay. Especially when money was trading hands and you didn't so much as go inside or buy anything.
Now the fine may not be "fair" but it is the fine never the less and is displayed in the car park, not only on the entrance but on signs nearer to the building.
It's EXACTLY the same as doing 40 in a 30, but claiming you didn't see the 30mph sign... you'd still get 3 points.
Now I am glad you didn't have to pay up - and well done for sticking it out - but take it as a warning that you got off, rather than setting an example that you can do this sort of thing regularly (that is, meeting up to go dogging with people in exchange for car parts).
xjay1337 said:
I don't think the case should have been thrown out.
YOU missed the sign (which is visible clearly, as I've been to Fleet services recently many times), YOU over stayed the free stay. Ergo, you got fined. The fault is not with the parking company but with you for your lack of observation.
In your earlier posts you state that you did not see any signs warning you (as in, implication that you missed them).
And yes, staying at a motorway services for 2 hours and 30 minutes with one complete stranger is a bit gay. Especially when money was trading hands and you didn't so much as go inside or buy anything.
Now the fine may not be "fair" but it is the fine never the less and is displayed in the car park, not only on the entrance but on signs nearer to the building.
It's EXACTLY the same as doing 40 in a 30, but claiming you didn't see the 30mph sign... you'd still get 3 points.
Now I am glad you didn't have to pay up - and well done for sticking it out - but take it as a warning that you got off, rather than setting an example that you can do this sort of thing regularly (that is, meeting up to go dogging with people in exchange for car parts).
Stroll on,you talk some crap.YOU missed the sign (which is visible clearly, as I've been to Fleet services recently many times), YOU over stayed the free stay. Ergo, you got fined. The fault is not with the parking company but with you for your lack of observation.
In your earlier posts you state that you did not see any signs warning you (as in, implication that you missed them).
And yes, staying at a motorway services for 2 hours and 30 minutes with one complete stranger is a bit gay. Especially when money was trading hands and you didn't so much as go inside or buy anything.
Now the fine may not be "fair" but it is the fine never the less and is displayed in the car park, not only on the entrance but on signs nearer to the building.
It's EXACTLY the same as doing 40 in a 30, but claiming you didn't see the 30mph sign... you'd still get 3 points.
Now I am glad you didn't have to pay up - and well done for sticking it out - but take it as a warning that you got off, rather than setting an example that you can do this sort of thing regularly (that is, meeting up to go dogging with people in exchange for car parts).
xjay1337 said:
I don't think the case should have been thrown out.
YOU missed the sign (which is visible clearly, as I've been to Fleet services recently many times), YOU over stayed the free stay. Ergo, you got fined. The fault is not with the parking company but with you for your lack of observation.
In your earlier posts you state that you did not see any signs warning you (as in, implication that you missed them).
And yes, staying at a motorway services for 2 hours and 30 minutes with one complete stranger is a bit gay. Especially when money was trading hands and you didn't so much as go inside or buy anything.
Now the fine may not be "fair" but it is the fine never the less and is displayed in the car park, not only on the entrance but on signs nearer to the building.
It's EXACTLY the same as doing 40 in a 30, but claiming you didn't see the 30mph sign... you'd still get 3 points.
Now I am glad you didn't have to pay up - and well done for sticking it out - but take it as a warning that you got off, rather than setting an example that you can do this sort of thing regularly (that is, meeting up to go dogging with people in exchange for car parts).
First of all, it is not a fine. It is a private company trying to invoice you a ridiculous amount for parking in a free car park. For some reason they think that £100 is a reasonable amount to try to charge - that is why it always gets thrown out if you follow the proper process of objection with POPLA. In my case, they submitted their loss charges (also in a free car park, but my "crime" was parking over the white line at the end space next to a wall).YOU missed the sign (which is visible clearly, as I've been to Fleet services recently many times), YOU over stayed the free stay. Ergo, you got fined. The fault is not with the parking company but with you for your lack of observation.
In your earlier posts you state that you did not see any signs warning you (as in, implication that you missed them).
And yes, staying at a motorway services for 2 hours and 30 minutes with one complete stranger is a bit gay. Especially when money was trading hands and you didn't so much as go inside or buy anything.
Now the fine may not be "fair" but it is the fine never the less and is displayed in the car park, not only on the entrance but on signs nearer to the building.
It's EXACTLY the same as doing 40 in a 30, but claiming you didn't see the 30mph sign... you'd still get 3 points.
Now I am glad you didn't have to pay up - and well done for sticking it out - but take it as a warning that you got off, rather than setting an example that you can do this sort of thing regularly (that is, meeting up to go dogging with people in exchange for car parts).
They tried to justify that the envelope on the windscreen was £36. That was what POPLA threw it out on as it was a made up figure and not a real one.
These companies can not issue penalty level charges, and as long as they try that they will lose time and time again. But as there will always be people paying up, it remains worth their effort to try it on.
xjay1337 said:
I don't think the case should have been thrown out.
YOU missed the sign (which is visible clearly, as I've been to Fleet services recently many times), YOU over stayed the free stay. Ergo, you got fined. The fault is not with the parking company but with you for your lack of observation.
In your earlier posts you state that you did not see any signs warning you (as in, implication that you missed them).
And yes, staying at a motorway services for 2 hours and 30 minutes with one complete stranger is a bit gay. Especially when money was trading hands and you didn't so much as go inside or buy anything.
Now the fine may not be "fair" but it is the fine never the less and is displayed in the car park, not only on the entrance but on signs nearer to the building.
It's EXACTLY the same as doing 40 in a 30, but claiming you didn't see the 30mph sign... you'd still get 3 points.
Now I am glad you didn't have to pay up - and well done for sticking it out - but take it as a warning that you got off, rather than setting an example that you can do this sort of thing regularly (that is, meeting up to go dogging with people in exchange for car parts).
Where to start? So much sYOU missed the sign (which is visible clearly, as I've been to Fleet services recently many times), YOU over stayed the free stay. Ergo, you got fined. The fault is not with the parking company but with you for your lack of observation.
In your earlier posts you state that you did not see any signs warning you (as in, implication that you missed them).
And yes, staying at a motorway services for 2 hours and 30 minutes with one complete stranger is a bit gay. Especially when money was trading hands and you didn't so much as go inside or buy anything.
Now the fine may not be "fair" but it is the fine never the less and is displayed in the car park, not only on the entrance but on signs nearer to the building.
It's EXACTLY the same as doing 40 in a 30, but claiming you didn't see the 30mph sign... you'd still get 3 points.
Now I am glad you didn't have to pay up - and well done for sticking it out - but take it as a warning that you got off, rather than setting an example that you can do this sort of thing regularly (that is, meeting up to go dogging with people in exchange for car parts).
te in one post.EU_Foreigner said:
First of all, it is not a fine. It is a private company trying to invoice you a ridiculous amount for parking in a free car park.
To be fair it's not really a "free" car park. It costs the landowner money to operate it. They offset this cost from profits generated by paying customers or by charging people who stay longer than the permitted time.My firm has (had) a private car park in manchester, clearly signposted that it was for staff/customers only. It was right next to a massive pay and display car park. You can guess where a minority of people chose to park - obviously it was fine because they were only there for 5 minutes/30/minutes/3 hours
EU_Foreigner said:
First of all, it is not a fine. It is a private company trying to invoice you a ridiculous amount for parking in a free car park.
It is free for 2 hours then about £10ish for the next 24 hours according to the signage,Why did the OP not (or others) pay the £10.
I'm sure at a barriered car park at an airport, Town cente NCP car park etc they would have paid the required fee for overstaying the free 15 minutes ?
xjay1337 said:
I don't think the case should have been thrown out.
YOU missed the sign (which is visible clearly, as I've been to Fleet services recently many times), YOU over stayed the free stay. Ergo, you got fined. The fault is not with the parking company but with you for your lack of observation.
In your earlier posts you state that you did not see any signs warning you (as in, implication that you missed them).
And yes, staying at a motorway services for 2 hours and 30 minutes with one complete stranger is a bit gay. Especially when money was trading hands and you didn't so much as go inside or buy anything.
Now the fine may not be "fair" but it is the fine never the less and is displayed in the car park, not only on the entrance but on signs nearer to the building.
It's EXACTLY the same as doing 40 in a 30, but claiming you didn't see the 30mph sign... you'd still get 3 points.
Now I am glad you didn't have to pay up - and well done for sticking it out - but take it as a warning that you got off, rather than setting an example that you can do this sort of thing regularly (that is, meeting up to go dogging with people in exchange for car parts).
He may have missed the sign but you missed the point. Completely.YOU missed the sign (which is visible clearly, as I've been to Fleet services recently many times), YOU over stayed the free stay. Ergo, you got fined. The fault is not with the parking company but with you for your lack of observation.
In your earlier posts you state that you did not see any signs warning you (as in, implication that you missed them).
And yes, staying at a motorway services for 2 hours and 30 minutes with one complete stranger is a bit gay. Especially when money was trading hands and you didn't so much as go inside or buy anything.
Now the fine may not be "fair" but it is the fine never the less and is displayed in the car park, not only on the entrance but on signs nearer to the building.
It's EXACTLY the same as doing 40 in a 30, but claiming you didn't see the 30mph sign... you'd still get 3 points.
Now I am glad you didn't have to pay up - and well done for sticking it out - but take it as a warning that you got off, rather than setting an example that you can do this sort of thing regularly (that is, meeting up to go dogging with people in exchange for car parts).
No wonder these firms stay in business.
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