Vosa & driving a van as a service vehicle
Discussion
heebeegeetee said:
Nigel Worc's said:
A call to Gt Yarmouth, or Greenock, although not every week, will easily eat those driving hours, and leave me a whole 1 hour to work, which isn't enough.
So, on a day like that, how many hours will you have been at work, and how does that affect your drive back home?IF I felt tired I'm free to stop and book into a motel, I have done both, driven home and on another occasion booked into a motel, depending on how I'm feeling.
It would appear that if driving a van, that choice in no longer available to me.
Thanks for pointing me to this thread Nigel and thanks to others for their input and links to the regs. Will read up more.
Not much to add except for one comment and a couple of Derek Smith-esque anecdotes.
Note in the pdf the bit about mixed driving in GB and rest of EU. Time driving in GB is to GB rules but in other countries must be according to their local rules. The embassy will help you in determining what those rules are. From experience: good funking luck with that. Complete dog's breakfast. Would still be here next week recounting that horror show.
Secondly agree with someone who posted that drivers and employers have no clue. Recently talked to some guys who worked for a kitchen unit manufacturer delivering to a relative. The were expected to go back to base after this delivery, load up two hightop long wheelbase Sprinters for the next day delivery. Sheffield > Penzance and back to Sheffield. In a day no overnight stop allowed. 12 hours driving with no stops no unloading time no delays. Yeah right.
Finally what pisses me off is the hypocrisy of employers. Before I handed in my ticket our lot introduced a maximum driving in any one day of six hours. Where that came from nobody knew. However there were some days for complicated reasons all I did was drive. Six hour stints single manned across Europe just doesn't work.
The rule of thumb previously applied by myself was to stick roughly to goods/pcv hours in terms of stops, rest periods and driving hours, even though technically the purpose and vehicle were exempt. This was on the grounds that it worked for me and worked for the job.
Fleet manager wouldn't have it and it ended up in a row. Anyway in the end I got my way as it made sense.
However on a non driving job out in the field they were completely happy to push for close to a 72 hour stint with almost no rest period. And 72 is not a misprint. Ok it was an emergency but asleep on feet isn't exactly safe nor legal.
Not much to add except for one comment and a couple of Derek Smith-esque anecdotes.
Note in the pdf the bit about mixed driving in GB and rest of EU. Time driving in GB is to GB rules but in other countries must be according to their local rules. The embassy will help you in determining what those rules are. From experience: good funking luck with that. Complete dog's breakfast. Would still be here next week recounting that horror show.
Secondly agree with someone who posted that drivers and employers have no clue. Recently talked to some guys who worked for a kitchen unit manufacturer delivering to a relative. The were expected to go back to base after this delivery, load up two hightop long wheelbase Sprinters for the next day delivery. Sheffield > Penzance and back to Sheffield. In a day no overnight stop allowed. 12 hours driving with no stops no unloading time no delays. Yeah right.
Finally what pisses me off is the hypocrisy of employers. Before I handed in my ticket our lot introduced a maximum driving in any one day of six hours. Where that came from nobody knew. However there were some days for complicated reasons all I did was drive. Six hour stints single manned across Europe just doesn't work.
The rule of thumb previously applied by myself was to stick roughly to goods/pcv hours in terms of stops, rest periods and driving hours, even though technically the purpose and vehicle were exempt. This was on the grounds that it worked for me and worked for the job.
Fleet manager wouldn't have it and it ended up in a row. Anyway in the end I got my way as it made sense.
However on a non driving job out in the field they were completely happy to push for close to a 72 hour stint with almost no rest period. And 72 is not a misprint. Ok it was an emergency but asleep on feet isn't exactly safe nor legal.
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