Accident in rented villa
Discussion
Breadvan72 said:
The laws of Bridlington are like those of the Medes and Persians - fixed and never changing. Pretty harsh, though. Drop an ice cream and it's death by candyfloss, IIRC.
I have heard that things are more accommodating in Scarborough.Edited by Red Devil on Thursday 31st July 14:20
I got as far as the third post and your second before giving up. You're hellbent on suing on principle and getting all litigious in your OP, yet in your next post you've done a complete U-turn and seem to be trying to advise otherwise.
Which is it?
Which is it?
Davel said:
Do you know, I'm not really sure.
Personally, I've said just drop the matter but he is really angry at the guy's attitude to his fall and his accusation of us 'tampering' with the plumbing.
I suspect that he wants to let the guy know that he has to deal with issues rather than be so aggressive to his clients and simply expect to get away with it.
As it is, he's simply held on to some of the deposit and been really arrogant and rude about it.
Personally, I've said just drop the matter but he is really angry at the guy's attitude to his fall and his accusation of us 'tampering' with the plumbing.
I suspect that he wants to let the guy know that he has to deal with issues rather than be so aggressive to his clients and simply expect to get away with it.
As it is, he's simply held on to some of the deposit and been really arrogant and rude about it.
Davel said:
My in laws came on holiday with us a couple of weeks ago, to a rented Villa in Kefalonia, owned by an English couple. The rental agreement states that the contract is under English Law.
On the day of arrival, my almost 75 year old father in law, walked in to the downstairs bathroom and had a nasty fall on a flooded wet tiled floor, due to a leak from the sink, which had spilled over the floor. He cut his leg, bruised his hip and, as he fell, banged his head on a window and cracked the glass. It could have been an awful lot worse.
To add to the issue, the Villa owner took 4 days to get someone to repair the leak, accuses us of removing a 'missing' washer from the sink and has charged us £50 for repairs to the window. He said there was no leak when he left the place a few days earlier. The sink is housed in a vanity unit so it is pretty daft to suggest that we'd tamper with it.
There were a few other issues too but the owners are being pretty unpleasant about the whole thing and denying anything and everything that their agent was aware of at the time.
Now, had they been more reasonable, we wouldn't have been so annoyed but they have really pissed us off now and, much as I despise these accident chasers, I just wonder if my F-I-L should talk to one and if they would do anything about it.
It has nothing to do with the money, just the attitude of the owners.
On the day of arrival, my almost 75 year old father in law, walked in to the downstairs bathroom and had a nasty fall on a flooded wet tiled floor, due to a leak from the sink, which had spilled over the floor. He cut his leg, bruised his hip and, as he fell, banged his head on a window and cracked the glass. It could have been an awful lot worse.
To add to the issue, the Villa owner took 4 days to get someone to repair the leak, accuses us of removing a 'missing' washer from the sink and has charged us £50 for repairs to the window. He said there was no leak when he left the place a few days earlier. The sink is housed in a vanity unit so it is pretty daft to suggest that we'd tamper with it.
There were a few other issues too but the owners are being pretty unpleasant about the whole thing and denying anything and everything that their agent was aware of at the time.
Now, had they been more reasonable, we wouldn't have been so annoyed but they have really pissed us off now and, much as I despise these accident chasers, I just wonder if my F-I-L should talk to one and if they would do anything about it.
It has nothing to do with the money, just the attitude of the owners.
Simple
I don't think he should take it further because he wasn't badly hurt at all.
But, the way that the owner has suggested that we tampered with the plumbing has really pissed us all off.
I don't mind what he wishes to do but think the owner has been an arse and it's really for my F-I-L to do as he sees fit.
If I'd been the owner, I would have contacted him at the time to see if he was okay and maybe offered a meal out or something for the family. I'd have also got a plumber out quickly.
I just asked what people thought.
I don't think he should take it further because he wasn't badly hurt at all.
But, the way that the owner has suggested that we tampered with the plumbing has really pissed us all off.
I don't mind what he wishes to do but think the owner has been an arse and it's really for my F-I-L to do as he sees fit.
If I'd been the owner, I would have contacted him at the time to see if he was okay and maybe offered a meal out or something for the family. I'd have also got a plumber out quickly.
I just asked what people thought.
I take the pragmatic view that safety standards in Foreignland are frequently below what we expect in the UK*, and accept that as part of the small risk of holidaying abroad. Mrs Oxgreen and I are currently in a rented villa in Umbria which has numerous safety issues, but we love it and have returned several times. I do my best not to look too closely at the electrics, and avoid touching metal parts of light fittings.
* Largely because foreign countries are not infected by diseases like "Part P", etc etc.
* Largely because foreign countries are not infected by diseases like "Part P", etc etc.
Funnily enough I'm writing this from a rented villa in Turkey (from an English couple) and we've had a few safety issues.
I't's on a small complex but with full time staff managing it. When I mentioned the pool had broken plastic filter parts around the edge (it's overflow rather than a skimmer system) leaving large holes which could cause a trip hazard for my 4 year old they said they were unable to spend money without the owners permission - we're talking about a 6 Euro fix here FFS
The pool turned green and we emailed the owners. The on site staff have since rectified the safety issues and with use of chemicals and cleaning now the pool is sorted however there are clearly issues which are deeper than our two week holiday problems here judging by the attitude of the management staff on site and their loose tongues.
I'm not going to get stroppy with the owners but will make them aware of my thoughts by phone and email when I get back. Depending on how they react (I don't want money but a positive phone call) I'll then if need be leave a trip advisor review which they won't like.
If you feel you're not getting what you deserve for your money and there's no damage one other than a w
ker of a landlord for two weeks, vote with your feet and don't book that villa again.
I't's on a small complex but with full time staff managing it. When I mentioned the pool had broken plastic filter parts around the edge (it's overflow rather than a skimmer system) leaving large holes which could cause a trip hazard for my 4 year old they said they were unable to spend money without the owners permission - we're talking about a 6 Euro fix here FFS
The pool turned green and we emailed the owners. The on site staff have since rectified the safety issues and with use of chemicals and cleaning now the pool is sorted however there are clearly issues which are deeper than our two week holiday problems here judging by the attitude of the management staff on site and their loose tongues.
I'm not going to get stroppy with the owners but will make them aware of my thoughts by phone and email when I get back. Depending on how they react (I don't want money but a positive phone call) I'll then if need be leave a trip advisor review which they won't like.
If you feel you're not getting what you deserve for your money and there's no damage one other than a w
ker of a landlord for two weeks, vote with your feet and don't book that villa again.Owners are English and, yes, English law applies (I'm obviously an expert having read about the Argentinian debt crisis - New York law applies - in the Guardian this morning), but are they resident in Cyprus? If so and they don't have assets within the jurisdiction of the court then they surely could ignore any legal action?
Where does Cyprus come into it? The OP states that the villa is in Kefalonia (an island part of Greece). The owners are described as English, but unless I have missed a bit their place of residence is not stated. If they and the injured party are resident in England, then English tort law will apply, and the contract is by choice governed by English law (this choice of law being effective, despite the ill informed opinion to the contrary expressed by someone above). If the owners live in another country, Greek tort law will apply.
You can export judgments between EU member states, and enforce against assets in member states, with varying degrees of ease or difficulty, but this case doesn't sound like it should be going near a court anyway.
You can export judgments between EU member states, and enforce against assets in member states, with varying degrees of ease or difficulty, but this case doesn't sound like it should be going near a court anyway.
HoHoHo said:
Funnily enough I'm writing this from a rented villa in Turkey (from an English couple) and we've had a few safety issues.
I't's on a small complex but with full time staff managing it. When I mentioned the pool had broken plastic filter parts around the edge (it's overflow rather than a skimmer system) leaving large holes which could cause a trip hazard for my 4 year old they said they were unable to spend money without the owners permission - we're talking about a 6 Euro fix here FFS
The pool turned green and we emailed the owners. The on site staff have since rectified the safety issues and with use of chemicals and cleaning now the pool is sorted however there are clearly issues which are deeper than our two week holiday problems here judging by the attitude of the management staff on site and their loose tongues.
I'm not going to get stroppy with the owners but will make them aware of my thoughts by phone and email when I get back. Depending on how they react (I don't want money but a positive phone call) I'll then if need be leave a trip advisor review which they won't like.
If you feel you're not getting what you deserve for your money and there's no damage one other than a wker of a landlord for two weeks, vote with your feet and don't book that villa again.
My grandfather spent some time in Turkey, he said it was quite dangerousI't's on a small complex but with full time staff managing it. When I mentioned the pool had broken plastic filter parts around the edge (it's overflow rather than a skimmer system) leaving large holes which could cause a trip hazard for my 4 year old they said they were unable to spend money without the owners permission - we're talking about a 6 Euro fix here FFS
The pool turned green and we emailed the owners. The on site staff have since rectified the safety issues and with use of chemicals and cleaning now the pool is sorted however there are clearly issues which are deeper than our two week holiday problems here judging by the attitude of the management staff on site and their loose tongues.
I'm not going to get stroppy with the owners but will make them aware of my thoughts by phone and email when I get back. Depending on how they react (I don't want money but a positive phone call) I'll then if need be leave a trip advisor review which they won't like.
If you feel you're not getting what you deserve for your money and there's no damage one other than a w
ker of a landlord for two weeks, vote with your feet and don't book that villa again.Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff