Azelle Rodney Murder Charge
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"Mr Rodney's mother Susan Alexander said her son's death had been "wholly avoidable"".
Yes, I wonder how it could have been avoided?
I may need a bit of time to think about this.
Possibly, just possibly, if he hadn't been a career criminal? With other career criminals? Intending to attack other career criminals? With a gun in the car?
Yes, I wonder how it could have been avoided?
I may need a bit of time to think about this.
Possibly, just possibly, if he hadn't been a career criminal? With other career criminals? Intending to attack other career criminals? With a gun in the car?
Breadvan72 said:
It long ago became deeply unfashionable to obtain reliable information about a subject before voicing an opinion on it, and this Forum contains daily excellent displays of ignorance, prejudice and rantiness by the deeply uninformed but highly opinionated.
If not understanding the issues and having an opinion is good enough for voting it's good enough for here.The government also seems to run on this premise.
The Mad Monk said:
"Mr Rodney's mother Susan Alexander said her son's death had been "wholly avoidable"".
Yes, I wonder how it could have been avoided?
I may need a bit of time to think about this.
Possibly, just possibly, if he hadn't been a career criminal? With other career criminals? Intending to attack other career criminals? With a gun in the car?
Correct there was a gun in the car, but with two more, the three weapons included a Colt 45 pistol and a Baikal pistol.Yes, I wonder how it could have been avoided?
I may need a bit of time to think about this.
Possibly, just possibly, if he hadn't been a career criminal? With other career criminals? Intending to attack other career criminals? With a gun in the car?
Justice sure takes its time plodding on and on, this from July 2013:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-231935...
The Mad Monk said:
"Mr Rodney's mother Susan Alexander said her son's death had been "wholly avoidable"".
Yes, I wonder how it could have been avoided?
I may need a bit of time to think about this.
Possibly, just possibly, if he hadn't been a career criminal? With other career criminals? Intending to attack other career criminals? With a gun in the car?
was he a promising footballer caught up with the wrong crowd?Yes, I wonder how it could have been avoided?
I may need a bit of time to think about this.
Possibly, just possibly, if he hadn't been a career criminal? With other career criminals? Intending to attack other career criminals? With a gun in the car?
On that hypothesis, shouldn't "they" have neatly arranged for a guilty verdict? The acquittal could have led to things kicking off (but on this occasion it didn't). I reiterate that it is very rare for a police officer to be charged with murder after shooting someone. There was controversy here as to whether the officer had a lawful reason to open fire. A jury is a good instrument for determining that question. The jury has found the officer to have acted in lawful defence of himself and his colleagues.
The Mad Monk said:
"Mr Rodney's mother Susan Alexander said her son's death had been "wholly avoidable"".
Yes, I wonder how it could have been avoided?
I may need a bit of time to think about this.
Possibly, just possibly, if he hadn't been a career criminal? With other career criminals? Intending to attack other career criminals? With a gun in the car?
These scum individuals liive outside the world we live in. They have no morals, they will steal, abuse our system and care nothing of who they hurt or maim in the pursuit of their ends. We are so lucky to have a police force who are prepared to put themselves in the front line and confront these pieces of sYes, I wonder how it could have been avoided?
I may need a bit of time to think about this.
Possibly, just possibly, if he hadn't been a career criminal? With other career criminals? Intending to attack other career criminals? With a gun in the car?
t.Why do we waste so much time and money wringing our hands and asking why. Why.....he got what the
deserved.Well done to the officer who wasted another one of these criminals.
I do not mourn the death of crims engaged in armed crimmage, but it would be a very bad idea not to have detailed investigations of every police shooting, whether the shot person is Professor Moriarty's more evil brother or a little old lady who looks after fluffy kittens for free. The theoretical deal (care of John Locke and so forth) is that we allow the State to go about with guns so long as it accounts for its use of them, and the theory actually works in practice here. Compare the US, where the theory and the practice often diverge (ironic, for a place founded on an explicitly Lockean basis).
There are a couple of issues at hand here.
Firstly the CPS is massively under strain and constantly being interfered with by politicos playing PR games.
It is largely that and the rules surrounding the way these things are handled that caused this case to take 10 years.
I personally feel the officer involved should not have been named in any way and that up till the verdict the case should have been heard in private/secret. The reality this has painted a target on the officer and his families back irrespective of his guilt or innocence.
To be honest I feel the same about rape cases where the accused is named and shamed publicly. The reality is whether the claims are true or false their life is in effect ruined as is in many ways their careers. It is grossly unfair.
As to Eclassy. Sorry but he has not got a clue what he is talking about. Those who are involved within these circles know a lot more about the way these things work and the people the criminals and public and how they behave and think.
The public and offenders over the last 10-15 years have changed massively in the way they behave within and without social norms. Where in old days criminals would have a fear or respect these days there is little to none. Where male offenders would rarely ever have harmed a female they are now seen as fair game.
Hence the recent death of the female custody officer. Days gone by that would never have happened as the male offender would not want to end up being known for attacking a female as his time inside would not go well for him when other inmates found out and in fact in a lot of cases they would have to be placed in seg for their own safety.
The CPS and courts are under such massive strain through lack of resource and constant gov tampering that more often than not cases are won or lost based on clerical errors even when someone is bang to rights guilty.
The court will change venue for example without telling witnesses,police,barristers and so on or they will change dates so many times that in the end the court is left with no option to throw the case out as its against the rights of the accused to keep delaying etc etc etc.
I for one watched all the nonsense in America with interest. All this #Blacklivesmatter. From what I have seen and read in almost every case the person shot or killed it was justified. That's not to say that the officers methodology in a lot of cases needs to be changed to de escalate things before it results in someone being killed but that is not really the officers fault but those who set the training.
There has been a recent case of a young 18 year old lad (white as if it matters) who was shot and killed. Why? Because he flashed his lights at an officer who then pulled him over to ask him why and possibly cite him for doing so ie he would at worst have received a fine.
Instead he chose to be massively belligerent and argumentative and refused to comply with simple requests and when the officer decided to arrest him he fought back and took a swing at the officer and got him on the ground dazed and the officer felt his only option to defend himself was to shoot the kid who later died.
The kid went from possibly getting a fine he did not deserve and his "rights" being abused which he could have redressed legally at a later date to being dead. You cannot redress a wrong when dead.
In my book the kid deserved to die through utter stupidity. I am a firm believer in live by the sword die by the sword.
Sadly things are only going one way and are going to get a LOT worse and we aregoing to see seeing a rise in very serious injuries and deaths of members of staff of the various divisions of the public protectorate IE Police and Prison services and those in their custody.
Firstly the CPS is massively under strain and constantly being interfered with by politicos playing PR games.
It is largely that and the rules surrounding the way these things are handled that caused this case to take 10 years.
I personally feel the officer involved should not have been named in any way and that up till the verdict the case should have been heard in private/secret. The reality this has painted a target on the officer and his families back irrespective of his guilt or innocence.
To be honest I feel the same about rape cases where the accused is named and shamed publicly. The reality is whether the claims are true or false their life is in effect ruined as is in many ways their careers. It is grossly unfair.
As to Eclassy. Sorry but he has not got a clue what he is talking about. Those who are involved within these circles know a lot more about the way these things work and the people the criminals and public and how they behave and think.
The public and offenders over the last 10-15 years have changed massively in the way they behave within and without social norms. Where in old days criminals would have a fear or respect these days there is little to none. Where male offenders would rarely ever have harmed a female they are now seen as fair game.
Hence the recent death of the female custody officer. Days gone by that would never have happened as the male offender would not want to end up being known for attacking a female as his time inside would not go well for him when other inmates found out and in fact in a lot of cases they would have to be placed in seg for their own safety.
The CPS and courts are under such massive strain through lack of resource and constant gov tampering that more often than not cases are won or lost based on clerical errors even when someone is bang to rights guilty.
The court will change venue for example without telling witnesses,police,barristers and so on or they will change dates so many times that in the end the court is left with no option to throw the case out as its against the rights of the accused to keep delaying etc etc etc.
I for one watched all the nonsense in America with interest. All this #Blacklivesmatter. From what I have seen and read in almost every case the person shot or killed it was justified. That's not to say that the officers methodology in a lot of cases needs to be changed to de escalate things before it results in someone being killed but that is not really the officers fault but those who set the training.
There has been a recent case of a young 18 year old lad (white as if it matters) who was shot and killed. Why? Because he flashed his lights at an officer who then pulled him over to ask him why and possibly cite him for doing so ie he would at worst have received a fine.
Instead he chose to be massively belligerent and argumentative and refused to comply with simple requests and when the officer decided to arrest him he fought back and took a swing at the officer and got him on the ground dazed and the officer felt his only option to defend himself was to shoot the kid who later died.
The kid went from possibly getting a fine he did not deserve and his "rights" being abused which he could have redressed legally at a later date to being dead. You cannot redress a wrong when dead.
In my book the kid deserved to die through utter stupidity. I am a firm believer in live by the sword die by the sword.
Sadly things are only going one way and are going to get a LOT worse and we are
Edited by jimmybobby on Sunday 5th July 16:23
Edited by jimmybobby on Sunday 5th July 16:25
jimmybobby said:
I for one watched all the nonsense in America with interest. All this #Blacklivesmatter. From what I have seen and read in almost every case the person shot or killed it was justified.
Really?http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-32213482
Edited by Devil2575 on Monday 6th July 11:41
The problem with the US is it's hard to make any meaningful assessment as there are huge data gaps. For example, they don't accurately record how many police shooting there across the US. I was amazed when I found this out. I don't see how they can begin to make things better without even knowing these data.
A policeman who kills should have his name protected but a homeowner who kills a burglar is not only arreated but gets his name spalshed all over the newspapers.
Why would anyone go after a policeman for doing his job? In the US which is awash with guns, the names of police officers who kill suspects are routinely released. The police arrest make thousands of arrests everyday. Some of those arrested must be hardened criminal who would easily get the arresting officers name by requesting their custody records. Why isnt there already a wave of revenge killings of police officers?
Black lives do matter. Maybe not to you as you havent lived a day in their shoes.
Oscar Grant: Shot by a policeman in the back on January 1, 2010 while restrained and on the ground. Policeman claimed he thought he was tasering him. Spent 11 months in prison.
John Crawford: Shot dead by Beavercreek police whilst shopping in a Walmart. He had picked up a rifle which was on sale in the shop and walked around with it while chatting on in his phone. Ohio is an open carry state and people regulary carry real guns into Walmart but he had the wrong skun colour. Police killed him within a second of making contact.
Akai Gurley: Killed by NYPD while walking down the stairs in his girlfriends apartment block. Policeman who killed him thought it smart to call his union representative before administering first aid.
Tamir Rice: 12 year old boy playing with a replica gun in a park close to his home. Despite what police initially claimed, the young man never pointed the gun at anyone as shown on video which was later released. Killed within 2 seconds of coming in contact.
Levar Edward Jones: Shot by South Carolina police for daring to obey instructiins to produce his license. Officer Sean Grouberts account differs entirely from what obtains on the his dashcam. Mr Jones his lucky, he lives.
Walter Scott: Shot 6 times in the back by another South Carolina officer. He wasnt so lucky, he died. Police account was already following the officer feared for his life line but that changed when a citizen journalist's video surfaced - Mr Scott was executed. Without that video, the officer would have been back on the beat by now.
Eric Harris: Like Oscar Grant he was shot in the back while restrained on the ground. As he laid dying and saying he couldnt breathe, one of the last things he heard was "fk your breath.
Amadou Diallo, Sean Bell, Eric Garner, Trayvon Martin and most recently Frddie Gray are a few other examples.
Justified by law doesnt make something morally right otherwise no Nazis would have been prosecuted.
Why would anyone go after a policeman for doing his job? In the US which is awash with guns, the names of police officers who kill suspects are routinely released. The police arrest make thousands of arrests everyday. Some of those arrested must be hardened criminal who would easily get the arresting officers name by requesting their custody records. Why isnt there already a wave of revenge killings of police officers?
Black lives do matter. Maybe not to you as you havent lived a day in their shoes.
Oscar Grant: Shot by a policeman in the back on January 1, 2010 while restrained and on the ground. Policeman claimed he thought he was tasering him. Spent 11 months in prison.
John Crawford: Shot dead by Beavercreek police whilst shopping in a Walmart. He had picked up a rifle which was on sale in the shop and walked around with it while chatting on in his phone. Ohio is an open carry state and people regulary carry real guns into Walmart but he had the wrong skun colour. Police killed him within a second of making contact.
Akai Gurley: Killed by NYPD while walking down the stairs in his girlfriends apartment block. Policeman who killed him thought it smart to call his union representative before administering first aid.
Tamir Rice: 12 year old boy playing with a replica gun in a park close to his home. Despite what police initially claimed, the young man never pointed the gun at anyone as shown on video which was later released. Killed within 2 seconds of coming in contact.
Levar Edward Jones: Shot by South Carolina police for daring to obey instructiins to produce his license. Officer Sean Grouberts account differs entirely from what obtains on the his dashcam. Mr Jones his lucky, he lives.
Walter Scott: Shot 6 times in the back by another South Carolina officer. He wasnt so lucky, he died. Police account was already following the officer feared for his life line but that changed when a citizen journalist's video surfaced - Mr Scott was executed. Without that video, the officer would have been back on the beat by now.
Eric Harris: Like Oscar Grant he was shot in the back while restrained on the ground. As he laid dying and saying he couldnt breathe, one of the last things he heard was "f
k your breath.Amadou Diallo, Sean Bell, Eric Garner, Trayvon Martin and most recently Frddie Gray are a few other examples.
Justified by law doesnt make something morally right otherwise no Nazis would have been prosecuted.
Devil2575 said:
jimmybobby said:
I for one watched all the nonsense in America with interest. All this #Blacklivesmatter. From what I have seen and read in almost every case the person shot or killed it was justified.
Really?http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-32213482
Edited by Devil2575 on Monday 6th July 11:41
In the case above the guy assaults the officer before running off. I do not agree with the officer shooting him in the back however but we still dont know all the details.
Eclassy said:
A policeman who kills should have his name protected but a homeowner who kills a burglar is not only arreated but gets his name spalshed all over the newspapers.
Why would anyone go after a policeman for doing his job? In the US which is awash with guns, the names of police officers who kill suspects are routinely released. The police arrest make thousands of arrests everyday. Some of those arrested must be hardened criminal who would easily get the arresting officers name by requesting their custody records. Why isnt there already a wave of revenge killings of police officers?
Black lives do matter. Maybe not to you as you havent lived a day in their shoes.
Oscar Grant: Shot by a policeman in the back on January 1, 2010 while restrained and on the ground. Policeman claimed he thought he was tasering him. Spent 11 months in prison.
John Crawford: Shot dead by Beavercreek police whilst shopping in a Walmart. He had picked up a rifle which was on sale in the shop and walked around with it while chatting on in his phone. Ohio is an open carry state and people regulary carry real guns into Walmart but he had the wrong skun colour. Police killed him within a second of making contact.
Akai Gurley: Killed by NYPD while walking down the stairs in his girlfriends apartment block. Policeman who killed him thought it smart to call his union representative before administering first aid.
Tamir Rice: 12 year old boy playing with a replica gun in a park close to his home. Despite what police initially claimed, the young man never pointed the gun at anyone as shown on video which was later released. Killed within 2 seconds of coming in contact.
Levar Edward Jones: Shot by South Carolina police for daring to obey instructiins to produce his license. Officer Sean Grouberts account differs entirely from what obtains on the his dashcam. Mr Jones his lucky, he lives.
Walter Scott: Shot 6 times in the back by another South Carolina officer. He wasnt so lucky, he died. Police account was already following the officer feared for his life line but that changed when a citizen journalist's video surfaced - Mr Scott was executed. Without that video, the officer would have been back on the beat by now.
Eric Harris: Like Oscar Grant he was shot in the back while restrained on the ground. As he laid dying and saying he couldnt breathe, one of the last things he heard was "fk your breath.
Amadou Diallo, Sean Bell,Eric Garner, Trayvon Martin and most recently Frddie Gray are a few other examples.
Justified by law doesnt make something morally right otherwise no Nazis would have been prosecuted.
Why would anyone go after a policeman for doing his job? In the US which is awash with guns, the names of police officers who kill suspects are routinely released. The police arrest make thousands of arrests everyday. Some of those arrested must be hardened criminal who would easily get the arresting officers name by requesting their custody records. Why isnt there already a wave of revenge killings of police officers?
Black lives do matter. Maybe not to you as you havent lived a day in their shoes.
Oscar Grant: Shot by a policeman in the back on January 1, 2010 while restrained and on the ground. Policeman claimed he thought he was tasering him. Spent 11 months in prison.
John Crawford: Shot dead by Beavercreek police whilst shopping in a Walmart. He had picked up a rifle which was on sale in the shop and walked around with it while chatting on in his phone. Ohio is an open carry state and people regulary carry real guns into Walmart but he had the wrong skun colour. Police killed him within a second of making contact.
Akai Gurley: Killed by NYPD while walking down the stairs in his girlfriends apartment block. Policeman who killed him thought it smart to call his union representative before administering first aid.
Tamir Rice: 12 year old boy playing with a replica gun in a park close to his home. Despite what police initially claimed, the young man never pointed the gun at anyone as shown on video which was later released. Killed within 2 seconds of coming in contact.
Levar Edward Jones: Shot by South Carolina police for daring to obey instructiins to produce his license. Officer Sean Grouberts account differs entirely from what obtains on the his dashcam. Mr Jones his lucky, he lives.
Walter Scott: Shot 6 times in the back by another South Carolina officer. He wasnt so lucky, he died. Police account was already following the officer feared for his life line but that changed when a citizen journalist's video surfaced - Mr Scott was executed. Without that video, the officer would have been back on the beat by now.
Eric Harris: Like Oscar Grant he was shot in the back while restrained on the ground. As he laid dying and saying he couldnt breathe, one of the last things he heard was "f
k your breath.Amadou Diallo, Sean Bell,
Justified by law doesnt make something morally right otherwise no Nazis would have been prosecuted.
jimmybobby said:
In the case above the guy assaults the officer before running off. I do not agree with the officer shooting him in the back however but we still dont know all the details.
Hope you are jokingAre you a policeman? There is a video out there. Walter struggled with the officer after he had been tasered, we see the officer shoot the man several times as he runs away, we see the officer planting the taser, we see them administer no first aid and you claim we still dont know all the details. Newsflash! the officer was charged with first degree murder. I can see why you think #blacklivesmatter is all nonsense
When Slager fired his gun, Scott seemed to be 15 to 20 feet (5 to 6 m) away and fleeing. In the report of the shooting, filed before the video surfaced, Slager said he had feared for his life because Scott had taken his Taser, and that he shot Scott because he "felt threatened".
DuraAce said:
That's just horrific. To me, it's not relevant what's gone on before the shooting. At the second he pulls the trigger his life isn't in danger therefore it's an execution. I can't see how you can build a case for anything else.
How long would you wait if it was you?Are you confident you'd get it right every single time?
If you aren't, what should happen to you if and when you get it wrong?
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