Azelle Rodney Murder Charge
Discussion
johnny fotze said:
What I'd like to know is exactly how much training is required to be such a s
t shot? I'm no professionally trained marksman, but there is no way I could miss something the size of a man's head from that range. Stevie Wonder could've placed his shots better than that cack handed killer. No surprise they took his gun off him. I bet his colleagues were 100% behind him, it was probably the safest place to stand.
This needs to be moved to the call of duty forum surely t shot? I'm no professionally trained marksman, but there is no way I could miss something the size of a man's head from that range. Stevie Wonder could've placed his shots better than that cack handed killer. No surprise they took his gun off him. I bet his colleagues were 100% behind him, it was probably the safest place to stand.Breadvan72 said:
I was thinking more Halo 4 or Grand Theft Auto, but Call of Duty would do it. Extra numptie points for holding the gun sideways.
I tried the sideways hold thing at a shooting range in Colorado.The spent case bounced off the side of the cage and hit me in the face.
It was (un)surprisingly quite hot
La Liga said:
pork911 said:
an idiotic tweet.
He's the DCC of the CNC, he has nothing else to do 
It's quite a bit more serious than Sally Bercow's leggy cab sharing mate getting a pass into Westminster for example.
Anymore views why that Tweet is off?
'CNC Deputy goes for the Nuclear option on Twitter'?
Breadvan72 said:
Extra numptie points for holding the gun sideways.
While running. Bigends said:
Ta, ive amended my original - the shooter was in the front passenger seat of the Police car which was level with matey in the backseat of his car. Saw him lean forward and started shooting.
If I'd been told by armed police to sit the fk still whilst someone comes to establish whether there's a firearm in the car, I think the only muscles I'd have move were those controlling my bladder and my ass. To then start moving around in the car having been instructed to remain still - well... Let's just say if I were the other side I wouldn't be waiting for him to point the gun at me to pull the trigger.I'm going to predict NG and this is about the CPS having to let everything that finds it's way into the media turn into a full farcical trial. Sooner we can stop this whole 'prosecute because the Daily Mail says so cos there's a picture of the poor dear boy's perfectly normal family sobbing' s
t the better.Breadvan72 said:
Extra numptie points for holding the gun sideways.
Unless you have these fitted:http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=homeboy+birdma...
Randomthoughts said:
If I'd been told by armed police to sit the fk still whilst someone comes to establish whether there's a firearm in the car, I think the only muscles I'd have move were those controlling my bladder and my ass. To then start moving around in the car having been instructed to remain still - well... Let's just say if I were the other side I wouldn't be waiting for him to point the gun at me to pull the trigger.
I'm going to predict NG and this is about the CPS having to let everything that finds it's way into the media turn into a full farcical trial. Sooner we can stop this whole 'prosecute because the Daily Mail says so cos there's a picture of the poor dear boy's perfectly normal family sobbing' st the better.
You mean like Rolf Harris? Or Andy Coulson? Etc...k still whilst someone comes to establish whether there's a firearm in the car, I think the only muscles I'd have move were those controlling my bladder and my ass. To then start moving around in the car having been instructed to remain still - well... Let's just say if I were the other side I wouldn't be waiting for him to point the gun at me to pull the trigger.I'm going to predict NG and this is about the CPS having to let everything that finds it's way into the media turn into a full farcical trial. Sooner we can stop this whole 'prosecute because the Daily Mail says so cos there's a picture of the poor dear boy's perfectly normal family sobbing' s
t the better.Randomthoughts said:
I'm going to predict NG and this is about the CPS having to let everything that finds it's way into the media turn into a full farcical trial. Sooner we can stop this whole 'prosecute because the Daily Mail says so cos there's a picture of the poor dear boy's perfectly normal family sobbing' st the better.
Perhaps sometimes there are more than two answers, or two opinions on everything. t the better.The Constable's Oath mentions impartiality.
We've previously had a discussion about guilt by association where someone that was in car with a mate with drugs on them should choose their friends more carefully. The easy, lazy retort is that could also apply to police officers choosing their colleagues more carefully, or that's another bipolar situation of the police being in one camp and everyone else in another.
I was in a relationship with someone that did drugs. I was never with them when they bought them. I didn't approve and my view on drugs had coloured a previous relationship and a peer group that thought it was cool. Someone may have once suggested that a foil wrapped stock cube found in a foreign kitchen cupboard was illicit drugs and that may have triggered a frenzied search for cigarette papers.
I think people need to be tried and executed on the facts, not hearsay or rumours otherwise it starts to resemble the PH Pitchfork Brigade but with guns.
Before the summer recess Parliament 'bounced' some pressing legislation through parliament to protect us from Paedos and Terrorists. Well despite the Bichard Report it seems three Police forces failed to properly use the information on the former Lostprophets front man. I am not sure why they needed to rush that legislation through now when it's been an issue since an EU ruling in April.
William Hague says 'If you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to hide'. So what's the deal? Why doesn't that equally apply to those that use the rulebook on the masses? Why is that asymmetric? After all the police and the rest of the establishment couldn't have anything to hide could they?
Baroness Butler-Closed-Shop being appointed to run that 'Overarching Paedo' review and the subsequent backlash?
Unless we have full and open disclosure, don't we end up on a grey scale of acceptable and unacceptable establishment cover ups? It's OK for police mistakes and errors to be covered up, because after all they're not child molesters are they? They're not the worst of the worse, and as Hogan-Howe said to Humphrys on Today last year, the police have a difficult job dealing with stuff like the floods. Isn't that a bit like saying Jimmy Savile did a lot of good work for charity?
We need a White Paper that classifies and stratifies the acceptability of establishment cover ups so we all know where we are?
I don't know how calling on the police brand and pointing to difficult job the police had dealing with the floods fits with 'He was a criminal, look at his mates' that goes on here and everywhere else? It's just brand and reputation management that could be likened to the Mitchell smear and the 'Burn 'em' Pitchfork brigades. Those that shout loudest win?
Perhaps people and organisations need to be tried and punished on their actions, the evidence to hand, not their brand or the drivel their PR and damage limitation departments come up with?
Regarding the report. Page 12, Gold Commander arrives and none of the officers present realise they've left their collective common sense at the police station?
'It's a difficult job?' Does that explain the post shooting shambles? How long is Amateur Hour?
Edited by carinaman on Thursday 31st July 13:31
Wee bit off topic, we are having all kinds of awkward questions being asked of PoliceScotland up here just now as to why cops are wandering about supermarkets and McDonalds wearing sidearms as a matter of routine now, seems we are an "armed police" country now? Surely if guns are carried more routinely there is an increased risk of them being used where if they were in the safe in the car the likelihood of "instinctive" reaction would be lessened, we haven't had an increased incidence of cops being threatened by guns by the way so puzzling why PS have taken this (unsupported) decision?
Gary
Gary
You have 1.6% of the police armed in Scotland. IIRC the Chief is trying to get them more involved in routine work as the majority of time they aren't deployed on firearms incidents (this isn't anything new as they are just normal police officers with a specialism). This increased visibility results in people thinking there are more when there aren't.
Thanks La Liga, nothing to do with the police adopting a shoot to kill policy to deal with this ongoing problem then?:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/crime/gone-60-se...
from: http://www.pistonheads.com/GASSING/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Or to help persuade athletes from badmouthing the Commonwealth Games?
Someone needs a Saltire with 'Yes' and the silhouette of an AK47 on it?
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/crime/gone-60-se...
from: http://www.pistonheads.com/GASSING/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Or to help persuade athletes from badmouthing the Commonwealth Games?
Someone needs a Saltire with 'Yes' and the silhouette of an AK47 on it?
carinaman said:
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I went into a video games shop and asked for Grand Theft Auto. The shop guy said that he was new there and wasn't familiar with that game. He asked me to describe it to him. I said "It's about this super cool black dude who drives around in a fast car and has lots of sex with prostitutes". So he sold me Tiger Woods' PGA tour. Breadvan72 said:
Extra numptie points for holding the gun sideways.
While running. [/old gag]
Breadvan72 said:
/old gag
It was new to me. 
I've played an older version of that game. I think I managed to get the bus up to the top of the multi-storey car park and then use some ramp or a car to do an Evel Knievel style jump from the top. It didn't seem so funny after that Toyota driving woman launched her car off that roundabout in Dover bouncing off of the roof of the Megger building. Perhaps I am more like the bloke that hijacked the school bus in the Dirty Harry film than Tiger Woods?
Your black rattle tin Beta Coupe has a bit of a GTA vibe even without those seats.
A friend in a record shop once grumbled to the man at the counter about the Eminem playing on the stereo, they agreed it wasn't that good and changed the music.
I don't want this thread to get shut for going off thread so any furtherance of themes touched upon are best left for elsewhere.
Edited by carinaman on Thursday 31st July 17:21
La Liga said:
You have 1.6% of the police armed in Scotland. IIRC the Chief is trying to get them more involved in routine work as the majority of time they aren't deployed on firearms incidents (this isn't anything new as they are just normal police officers with a specialism). This increased visibility results in people thinking there are more when there aren't.
Congratulations on completely missing the point, we all know there are armed officers out and about but they do not routinely wear guns in the street and in McDonalds, I know a number of armed cops here and would certainly not like to see them wandering about wearing guns all the time!!Interesting read - bit of a catalogue of errors
http://azellerodneyinquiry.independent.gov.uk/docs...
http://azellerodneyinquiry.independent.gov.uk/docs...
jaf01uk said:
Congratulations on completely missing the point, we all know there are armed officers out and about but they do not routinely wear guns in the street and in McDonalds
Yes they do. They routinely carry side-arms. They are armed all the time. They attend regular incidents and even manage to obtain food whilst wearing them. Like they always have done, and do in every Constabulary on a daily basis. What do you think they do? Sit inside the whole 95% of the time they aren't dealing with firearms incidents? Or if a non-firearms incident occurs when they are driving past they ignore it?
Bigends said:
Interesting read - bit of a catalogue of errors
http://azellerodneyinquiry.independent.gov.uk/docs...
What a fhttp://azellerodneyinquiry.independent.gov.uk/docs...
king shambles.La Liga said:
jaf01uk said:
Congratulations on completely missing the point, we all know there are armed officers out and about but they do not routinely wear guns in the street and in McDonalds
Yes they do. They routinely carry side-arms. They are armed all the time. They attend regular incidents and even manage to obtain food whilst wearing them.He seemed perplexed when I asked whether he expected trouble from the receptionist.
It might make for better community relations if the officers left their weapons locked in the car when getting a takeaway.
GALLARDOGUY said:
Bigends said:
Interesting read - bit of a catalogue of errors
http://azellerodneyinquiry.independent.gov.uk/docs...
What a fhttp://azellerodneyinquiry.independent.gov.uk/docs...
king shambles. It's like some of the stuff in the Stephen Lawrence Inquiry. 'Nobody took notes and the most senior man on the scene was a stickler for using his clipboard. His sheets from his clipboard was placed in Shooter's Hill police station. They can't be found, but it could be a case of that they've just been thrown out rather than intentionally lost or destroyed.'
I think the next bit says something along the lines of lessons were learned with 'After that a scheme was introduced where each car had a pad to be used in such situations in future.'
Edited by carinaman on Thursday 31st July 18:45
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