£100 fine for not displaying tax disc.

[Mermaid]

[InitialDave]

Mermaid said:

Ok, fair enough!

I usually trim my holder down to be just larger than the disc, and have it a subtle colour, put it right in as tight as possible to the corner of the screen and it's a lot less obvious.

[vonhosen]

Nigel Worc's said:

vonhosen said:

Nigel Worc's said:

vonhosen said:

If you want the official line it's in the Highway Code.

Edited by vonhosen on Saturday 2nd August 12:50

No it isn't, it's ambiguous at best, hence the confusion from drivers.

I guess from your response the whole situation is open to a Police officers interpretation and discretion, and could only be sorted in court (like what is and isn't a car derived van) ?

You might think it's ambiguous, but it's the official line.

The highway code's position is don't pass on the left, save some special circumstances which it gives, that video wasn't showing one of those special circumstances.

My take, and we're on the wrong thread here, my apologies to the op of this one, is the driver in this clip is doing nothing wrong.

The traffic in his lane, him, (his lane is clear), is moving faster than the traffic to the right.

As long as he doesn't exceed the speed limit, then what possible offence is he committing ?

The vehicles in lane two however are failing to keep left unless overtaking, so they are causing a rolling road block (without even being lorries !).

It isn't an offence to pass on the left in his situation, in my understanding.

There is no specific offence of failing to keep left.
There is no specific offence of passing on the left.
Both are against the Highway code (save examples cited).

Passing on the left shown in the video is not what is described (examples cited) within the highway code or the spirit of it.
The video below (from 1.20 on) shows the sort of thing that is described within the highway code & the spirit of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SnwGjVpPdw

[Nigel Worc's]

vonhosen said:

Nigel Worc's said:

vonhosen said:

Nigel Worc's said:

vonhosen said:

If you want the official line it's in the Highway Code.

Edited by vonhosen on Saturday 2nd August 12:50

No it isn't, it's ambiguous at best, hence the confusion from drivers.

I guess from your response the whole situation is open to a Police officers interpretation and discretion, and could only be sorted in court (like what is and isn't a car derived van) ?

You might think it's ambiguous, but it's the official line.

The highway code's position is don't pass on the left, save some special circumstances which it gives, that video wasn't showing one of those special circumstances.

My take, and we're on the wrong thread here, my apologies to the op of this one, is the driver in this clip is doing nothing wrong.

The traffic in his lane, him, (his lane is clear), is moving faster than the traffic to the right.

As long as he doesn't exceed the speed limit, then what possible offence is he committing ?

The vehicles in lane two however are failing to keep left unless overtaking, so they are causing a rolling road block (without even being lorries !).

It isn't an offence to pass on the left in his situation, in my understanding.

There is no specific offence of failing to keep left.
There is no specific offence of passing on the left.
Both are against the Highway code (save examples cited).

Passing on the left shown in the video is not what is described (examples cited) within the highway code or the spirit of it.
The video below (from 1.20 on) shows the sort of thing that is described within the highway code & the spirit of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SnwGjVpPdw

So, in the video shown by the poster, no offences committed, by the driver of the video car, or the middle lane hoggers in lane two ?

And who gets to say what is within the "spirit" of the highway code ?

[vonhosen]

Nigel Worc's said:

vonhosen said:

Nigel Worc's said:

vonhosen said:

Nigel Worc's said:

vonhosen said:

If you want the official line it's in the Highway Code.

Edited by vonhosen on Saturday 2nd August 12:50

No it isn't, it's ambiguous at best, hence the confusion from drivers.

I guess from your response the whole situation is open to a Police officers interpretation and discretion, and could only be sorted in court (like what is and isn't a car derived van) ?

You might think it's ambiguous, but it's the official line.

The highway code's position is don't pass on the left, save some special circumstances which it gives, that video wasn't showing one of those special circumstances.

My take, and we're on the wrong thread here, my apologies to the op of this one, is the driver in this clip is doing nothing wrong.

The traffic in his lane, him, (his lane is clear), is moving faster than the traffic to the right.

As long as he doesn't exceed the speed limit, then what possible offence is he committing ?

The vehicles in lane two however are failing to keep left unless overtaking, so they are causing a rolling road block (without even being lorries !).

It isn't an offence to pass on the left in his situation, in my understanding.

There is no specific offence of failing to keep left.
There is no specific offence of passing on the left.
Both are against the Highway code (save examples cited).

Passing on the left shown in the video is not what is described (examples cited) within the highway code or the spirit of it.
The video below (from 1.20 on) shows the sort of thing that is described within the highway code & the spirit of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SnwGjVpPdw

So, in the video shown by the poster, no offences committed, by the driver of the video car, or the middle lane hoggers in lane two ?

And who gets to say what is within the "spirit" of the highway code ?

There is no specific legislated offence of failing to keep left or passing on the left. Both however can be dealt with under Sec 3 RTA.
The decision to move forward with that starts with the officer, as is common with any other Sec 3 RTA matter. It then moves on to the CPS & then to the courts (should the accused disagree with the assessments of the former in the chain of assessment). Each case (again as common with Sec 3 RTA) is dealt with on it's merits.

Of course if you want to leave it out of the hands of other's assessment, try to avoid passing on the left & try to avoid being in lane 2 if there is space to your left in lane 1.

It's a bit like filtering/lane splitting, when does one move from being within what's allowed or not (& within the spirit of cited examples)?

This rider is not likely to get stopped by Police for doing it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4BbV5ofOpY

This one was.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHAI3ca2X8k

Edited by vonhosen on Saturday 2nd August 16:17

[anonymous-user]

If the tax disk was partly visible at the time (as per the OP's photo) and the Police National Computer says the vehicle was taxed, then that's a pretty lame FPN to be issuing. Especially as they're going in a couple of months.

[bigee]

La Liga said:

If the tax disk was partly visible at the time (as per the OP's photo) and the Police National Computer says the vehicle was taxed, then that's a pretty lame FPN to be issuing. Especially as they're going in a couple of months.

^^^^^^
This.

[eldar]

Interesting that the heinous offence of improperly displaying your tax disk attracts a higher penalty than for shoplifting, £100 vs £60-£90.

[SV8Predator]

Can someone explain why the two complete and utter fkwits (above) are arguing about some old bo11ocks on this tax disc thread?

[InitialDave]

SV8Predator said:

Can someone explain why the two complete and utter fkwits (above) are arguing about some old bo11ocks on this tax disc thread?

They pulled out of the other thread to overtake a slow poster, and are now refusing to pull back in.

[DervVW]

InitialDave said:

SV8Predator said:

Can someone explain why the two complete and utter fkwits (above) are arguing about some old bo11ocks on this tax disc thread?

They pulled out of the other thread to overtake a slow poster, and are now refusing to pull back in.

That doesn't mean you can pass on the left! Or does it...?

Anyway the tax disc fine here is over the top, its been hot glue melts, tax discs and parking tickets fall. Fine was not needed. Worth an appeal, but doubt they'll back down.

[ch108]

y2blade said:

I don't display either, haven't done so for years.

Genuinely interested to know why. How hard is it to display a disc? And why would you not when it could attract attention from the police? What next? I don't have number plates because I don't feel like it.

[ch108]

Mermaid said:

Same here - enjoy the full visibility of the screen - but even a most ardent jobsworth should have taken a view in view of the impending rules change and no damage to anyone.

So that small left corner of your screen increases your visibility? Heard it all now.

[y2blade]

ch108 said:

y2blade said:

I don't display either, haven't done so for years.

Genuinely interested to know why. How hard is it to display a disc? And why would you not when it could attract attention from the police? What next? I don't have number plates because I don't feel like it.

I've had tax disc stolen off a motorbike in the past, yes really!
Hence i no longer display them on my motorbikes, haven't done so for the last 10+ years.
I keep tax disc in the locked/secure compartment under the seat, to date It hasn't caused an issue with the Police.

However I do display them in my cars, why wouldn't I? They are securely locking inside the car and displayed on the windscreen. (Clearly visible in any of my photos in reader's cars threads I'm sure).


Is that a satisfactory reply?

[gaz1234]

Stupid pigs. They should get a fine fir being dumbasses

[eldar]

gaz1234 said:

Stupid pigs. They should get a fine fir being dumbasses

I'll donate one.

[bigee]

To be fair that is a fine 'Fir'....

[DUMBO100]

I got a parking ticket for not displaying properly. I had been getting my laptop from the passenger side and it was raining so I slapped it on the passenger side window. Came back to a ticket which I appealed and lost. Apparently the warden must be able to read it from the pavement, even though the picture he took of my car was clearly taken by the warden standing in the road

[Bebee]

eldar said:

gaz1234 said:

Stupid pigs. They should get a fine fir being dumbasses

I'll donate one.

ee carnt sea the wud four the tryees, and he carnt evan spel.

[ch108]

y2blade said:

I've had tax disc stolen off a motorbike in the past, yes really!
Hence i no longer display them on my motorbikes, haven't done so for the last 10+ years.
I keep tax disc in the locked/secure compartment under the seat, to date It hasn't caused an issue with the Police.

However I do display them in my cars, why wouldn't I? They are securely locking inside the car and displayed on the windscreen. (Clearly visible in any of my photos in reader's cars threads I'm sure).


Is that a satisfactory reply?

Explains it perfectly. From your original post I hadn't realised you were talking about displaying on a bike. Which as you say is more vulnerable to theft than a car.