Police Scotland - Officers routinely carrying guns.

Police Scotland - Officers routinely carrying guns.

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Eclassy

1,201 posts

121 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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Result.

We dont want US type police shootings where innocent citizens are shot for following police commands.

Mr Trophy

6,808 posts

202 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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Eclassy said:
Result.

We dont want US type police shootings where innocent citizens are shot for following police commands.
Jesus.

carinaman

21,224 posts

171 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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The Ashya King case shows the less powers some of these people have the better it'll be for all of us.

European Arrest Warrant my posterior.

Terzo123

4,309 posts

207 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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carinaman said:
The Ashya King case shows the less powers some of these people have the better it'll be for all of us.

European Arrest Warrant my posterior.
I'm really struggling to see what the Ashya King case has got to do with this.


AndrewEH1

4,917 posts

152 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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A step backward IMO...

Lots of sitting around for armed officers when they could be working on 'normal' calls.

Red 4

10,744 posts

186 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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AndrewEH1 said:
A step backward IMO...

Lots of sitting around for armed officers when they could be working on 'normal' calls.
I agree.

Police Scotland must have armies of cops.

It's politics.

I foresee the policy being reversed if response times are not being met.

AndrewEH1

4,917 posts

152 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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What's all the chat about U-Turns too...

They'll still be armed, but just sat in a car/station waiting for a shout.

Edited by AndrewEH1 on Wednesday 1st October 16:33

mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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Terzo123 said:
carinaman said:
The Ashya King case shows the less powers some of these people have the better it'll be for all of us.

European Arrest Warrant my posterior.
I'm really struggling to see what the Ashya King case has got to do with this.
nothing but that wouldn;t stop carina man, eclassy or rovinghawk from bringing it up in their quest to avoid taking responsibility for their lack of insight into their attitudes and behaviours.

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

157 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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AndrewEH1 said:
A step backward IMO...

Lots of sitting around for armed officers when they could be working on 'normal' calls.
They could always lock the weapons up in a gun safe until they're needed.

340600

551 posts

142 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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AndrewEH1 said:
What's all the chat about U-Turns too...

They'll still be armed, but just sat in a car/station waiting for a shout.

Edited by AndrewEH1 on Wednesday 1st October 16:33
No, they won't. Armed Officers tend to be dual or even tri-role in my area so the chances of someone "sat waiting for a shout" is highly unlikely.

RogueTrooper

882 posts

170 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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Rovinghawk said:
AndrewEH1 said:
A step backward IMO...

Lots of sitting around for armed officers when they could be working on 'normal' calls.
They could always lock the weapons up in a gun safe until they're needed.
ARVs used to do that ^ 30+ years ago when they were first introduced, but it was found to be a problem when dealing with spontaneous incidents, so the policy was changed.

mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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RogueTrooper said:
Rovinghawk said:
AndrewEH1 said:
A step backward IMO...

Lots of sitting around for armed officers when they could be working on 'normal' calls.
They could always lock the weapons up in a gun safe until they're needed.
ARVs used to do that ^ 30+ years ago when they were first introduced, but it was found to be a problem when dealing with spontaneous incidents, so the policy was changed.
as usual for PH

PHer :we pay too much tax make the police work harder
PCC: ch COns make them work harder
ChCons : i'll triple role the ARVs as traffic and area cars

PHer : we don;t like the guns on show can they put them away
chCons : I don;t think it;s good idea as the reason they open carry is because of evolving incidents
PCC : Shut up moaning polddie, do it, I want to keep my snout in the gravy trough

PHer : why were all those people killed in the psree shooting despite it being in the middle of town and an ARV being sat outside the doughnut shop
ChCons: becasue you insisted that we made the ARV officers officers put their guns in the gun safe and they were pinned into the doughnut shop because they only had their baton and spray ...

Greendubber

13,129 posts

202 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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Ridiculous.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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Eclassy said:
Result.

We dont want US type police shootings where innocent citizens are shot for following police commands.
Where else does that occur where ARVs attend non-firearms incidents in the UK?

That's the conflict with serving the public. Most of them possess the apparent lack of rationality you do.

I'm disappointed that the CC hasn't been resilient to ignore this rubbish, but as long as the AFOs continue to back their colleagues up (so the risk of this decision lies with the public, not officers) I'm happy for fewer incidents to be attended.

340600 said:
AndrewEH1 said:
What's all the chat about U-Turns too...

They'll still be armed, but just sat in a car/station waiting for a shout.
No, they won't. Armed Officers tend to be dual or even tri-role in my area so the chances of someone "sat waiting for a shout" is highly unlikely.
That's the point, they won't be multi-role, which is what they are everywhere else. Everywhere without mass death, too!

BBC article said:
But today they've announced that officers attached to armed response vehicles will now only be used for specific incidents or if there is a threat to life.




Terzo123

4,309 posts

207 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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340600 said:
No, they won't. Armed Officers tend to be dual or even tri-role in my area so the chances of someone "sat waiting for a shout" is highly unlikely.
That might be the case in your area. It "might" be different up in Scotland

Greendubber

13,129 posts

202 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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Ours get involved in all sorts, our neighbouring force has them going to everything from traffic matters to domestics and the body count is still and will remain zero.

Let's hope they fail their response times when this (although small) pool of officers are not able to deploy to something under their noses and people come on here to quim about it.


Eclassy

1,201 posts

121 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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If you want to argue the case that locking up the guns in safes will slow response times (maximum 1 minute added, I'd imagine), you might as well argue the case that all police officers should be armed.

Anyone seen this video
http://youtu.be/eo0d6Q4RVno

Or this
http://youtu.be/-XFYTtgZAlE


This is what would start happening in this country if we allow our policemen to routinely carry guns. Imagine if the muppet who tased a blind man with a stick had a gun?!



Edited by Eclassy on Wednesday 1st October 18:43

Terzo123

4,309 posts

207 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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Eclassy said:
If you want to argue the case that locking up the guns in safes will slow response times (maximum 1 minute added, I'd imagine), you might as well argue the case that all police officers should be armed.

Anyone seen this video
http://youtu.be/eo0d6Q4RVno

Or this
http://youtu.be/-XFYTtgZAlE


This is what would start happening in this country if we allow our policemen to routinely carry guns. Imagine if the muppet who tased a blind man with a stick had a gun?!



Edited by Eclassy on Wednesday 1st October 18:43
But this isn't about Cops being routinely armed. Thats a totally different arguement.

This is about whether dedicated armed units should be going out on routine patrol duties (They represent less than 5% of the force, there or there abouts)

Greendubber

13,129 posts

202 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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Eclassy said:
If you want to argue the case that locking up the guns in safes will slow response times (maximum 1 minute added, I'd imagine), you might as well argue the case that all police officers should be armed.

Anyone seen this video
http://youtu.be/eo0d6Q4RVno

Or this
http://youtu.be/-XFYTtgZAlE


This is what would start happening in this country if we allow our policemen to routinely carry guns. Imagine if the muppet who tased a blind man with a stick had a gun?!



Edited by Eclassy on Wednesday 1st October 18:43
Completely missing the point as usual

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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Eclassy said:
This is what would start happening in this country if we allow our policemen to routinely carry guns. Imagine if the muppet who tased a blind man with a stick had a gun?!
They do routinely carry the firearms - the standing order isn't there for fun.... Have you read the actual link? Or at least taken the time to understand it?

Less posting time, more thinking time may help.

It's which incidents they attend that's under debate.