Dangerous mechanic
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hunton69 said:
Neither would I now.
Have you ever been in a ten year old car, coach or may be a cab that the driver has never untill recently used the spare or that car has only done say 20,000 miles so running original tyres.
You may never know.
It's not that simple.
I see your point but,Have you ever been in a ten year old car, coach or may be a cab that the driver has never untill recently used the spare or that car has only done say 20,000 miles so running original tyres.
You may never know.
It's not that simple.
It was your vehicle. Down to you to check.
I've changed the tyres on my cars with plenty of tread left on them, ie legal, before.
One car, the tyres had obviously started to perish despite being only three years old with 15,000 miles on them.
Another car with 20,000 miles where the tyres had gone rock hard after five years and gave no grip in the wet.
Both sets of tyres would happily pass an MOT and be legal.
Legal, just not safe.
So you're suggesting that every time I get in a public service vehicle I should demand to see the MOT, service records etc?
The problem you experienced was WITH YOUR OWN VEHICLE FOR WHICH YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE.
Not, my car, a taxi drivers car, a bus or the Duke of Edinburghs car.
Yours.
You are responsible for making sure you vehicle is safe, in the same way as you are for putting your underpants on the right way round in the morning, locking your own front door when you leave the house and putting the cat out at night.
In a perfect world the Gummint would protect us from our own uselessness all the time but that's not a country I'd want to live in thanks.
The problem you experienced was WITH YOUR OWN VEHICLE FOR WHICH YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE.
Not, my car, a taxi drivers car, a bus or the Duke of Edinburghs car.
Yours.
You are responsible for making sure you vehicle is safe, in the same way as you are for putting your underpants on the right way round in the morning, locking your own front door when you leave the house and putting the cat out at night.
In a perfect world the Gummint would protect us from our own uselessness all the time but that's not a country I'd want to live in thanks.
Mound Dawg said:
So you're suggesting that every time I get in a public service vehicle I should demand to see the MOT, service records etc?
The problem you experienced was WITH YOUR OWN VEHICLE FOR WHICH YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE.
Not, my car, a taxi drivers car, a bus or the Duke of Edinburghs car.
Yours.
You are responsible for making sure you vehicle is safe, in the same way as you are for putting your underpants on the right way round in the morning, locking your own front door when you leave the house and putting the cat out at night.
In a perfect world the Gummint would protect us from our own uselessness all the time but that's not a country I'd want to live in thanks.
I'm not suggesting you check the tyres on every vehicle your getting into as that impossible.The problem you experienced was WITH YOUR OWN VEHICLE FOR WHICH YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE.
Not, my car, a taxi drivers car, a bus or the Duke of Edinburghs car.
Yours.
You are responsible for making sure you vehicle is safe, in the same way as you are for putting your underpants on the right way round in the morning, locking your own front door when you leave the house and putting the cat out at night.
In a perfect world the Gummint would protect us from our own uselessness all the time but that's not a country I'd want to live in thanks.
My point is you would not have to if there was an age limit for tyres.
Regarding me checking my tyres I did and so did the MOT station. They looked perfect.
hunton69 said:
age limit for tyres
The problem is, while they can issue guidelines (as you'll find on the net), nobody can determine with any degree of confidence a safe age limit on tyres because they are exposed to such drastically different duty cycles. I've driven on 21 year old tyres which were fine and I have replaced 3 year old tyres which were cracking up horrifically.The consensus among manufacturers is that after 6 years you should change the tyre but that does not preclude tyres failing at less than 6 years as they have been stood on the spot and left to rot, or over/under inflated, or have spent thousands of miles at high speed or temperature, with bad geometry etc etc.
That's without even considering the quality of the tyre. What about remoulds? the structure could already be several years old. What about regroovable tyres on HGVs?
hunton69 said:
herewego said:
What normally happens is that you pull over in a suitable location and change the wheel. It's not usual to crash and burn in this situation although very rarely it can happen.
I take it you have never driven a RV. They don't handle like a car or coach of truck. Suspension is a soft as Sh-tA couple of years ago a coach crashed because of a tyre (Tyre over 10 years old) blowing out and a passengers died.
http://www.smartdriving.co.uk/Driving/Driving_emer...
hunton69 said:
Regarding me checking my tyres I did and so did the MOT station. They looked perfect.
Tyres don't just fail. There would have been cracking. I don't know how thorough a check you personally did, but the MOT tester can ONLY fail tyres that're really very badly knackered indeed.http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/m4s04000105.htm
You want to try to influence safety? Don't focus on the age, focus on the condition - strengthen THAT, instead.
But, of course, that's the CAR test, and your 7.5t motorhome would be subject to a different class of test anyway.
TooMany2cvs said:
Tyres don't just fail. There would have been cracking. I don't know how thorough a check you personally did, but the MOT tester can ONLY fail tyres that're really very badly knackered indeed.
http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/m4s04000105.htm
You want to try to influence safety? Don't focus on the age, focus on the condition - strengthen THAT, instead.
But, of course, that's the CAR test, and your 7.5t motorhome would be subject to a different class of test anyway.
Not many MOT stations can test 33 foot motorhomes they have to be geared up for this size of vehicle. The one I took it to (90% of there work is on PSV's or HGV's) does all my servicing on my PSV vehicles and safety inspections (there ever 10 weeks) tyres are checked every time on thoses fafety inspections. I was there when the RV was tested as it's always done on a Saturday and not so many staff are present so I assist. These tyres did not show any signs of cracking. http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/m4s04000105.htm
You want to try to influence safety? Don't focus on the age, focus on the condition - strengthen THAT, instead.
But, of course, that's the CAR test, and your 7.5t motorhome would be subject to a different class of test anyway.
All PSV's or HGV's will never suffer from this problem due to the mileages that they do unless they never use the spare.
Ironically I hated the garage swopping tyres around due to tyre wear and using the spare in that process I used to tell them to keep the spare new. I now don't
A front blow out at speed in an RV is not something I wish to experience.
hunton69 said:
Not many MOT stations can test 33 foot motorhomes they have to be geared up for this size of vehicle.
Exactly so minging away about the car MOT is a bit irrelevant, isn't it?hunton69 said:
The one I took it to (90% of there work is on PSV's or HGV's) does all my servicing on my PSV vehicles and safety inspections (there ever 10 weeks) tyres are checked every time on thoses fafety inspections. I was there when the RV was tested as it's always done on a Saturday and not so many staff are present so I assist. These tyres did not show any signs of cracking.
Woah, hold on a minute - you run a fleet of PSVs, and STILL you're trying to abrogate responsibility like this? hunton69 said:
All PSV's or HGV's will never suffer from this problem due to the mileages that they do unless they never use the spare.
Earlier in this thread, you told us about a coach crash due to aged tyres. Now you're saying this'll never happen, oh no.hunton69 said:
A front blow out at speed in an RV is not something I wish to experience.
So either drive something less bloaty and wobbly, or take responsibility for it's maintenance properly. It's not like advice on old tyres hasn't been out there for years, ffs, especially in the shed-dragging world.Hold on a minute... I've just remembered why your username rings a bell... You're the one that bought a place with umpteen planning disputes then complained when the council thwapped you, aren't you? Pattern emerging...?
Don't HGV tyres run at high PSI? On pretty much every long motorway journey I'll see either the remains of an exploded HGV tyre (usually along with bits of mudguard) or the lorry itself prone on the hard shoulder. I doubt all (if many) exploding HGV tyres do so due to ageing or showed any obvious signs of deterioration.
LoonR1 said:
If you've ever been next to one when it explodes then you'll know how high the pressure is in them. It certainly woke me up!
They hold an enormous amount of energy, it's like a shotgun going off next to you if they blow out. There have been fatalities where HGV tyres have blown out during inflation (often caused by damage from running them at low pressure)
Mr2Mike said:
LoonR1 said:
If you've ever been next to one when it explodes then you'll know how high the pressure is in them. It certainly woke me up!
They hold an enormous amount of energy, it's like a shotgun going off next to you if they blow out. There have been fatalities where HGV tyres have blown out during inflation (often caused by damage from running them at low pressure)I believe truck tyre places are supposed to put cages around the tyre while it's inflating, but obviously the recovery chap at the side of the motorway can't easily do this when he's replacing a tyre. All of ours used to get done on our yard, they never used a cage either. Mind you, an exploding car tyre could cause fatal injuries if you're right next to it.
Most trucks these don't carry spares due to the weight. It's more cost effective to use a recovery service to swap a tyre at the side of the road, as you generally have to get recovery out anyway to change the wheel on a truck.
Woah, hold on a minute - you run a fleet of PSVs, and STILL you're trying to abrogate responsibility like this?
Correct I pay a professional money to carry out safety checks on my vehicles every 10 weeks. He is trained to do that I am not
Let me explain. Try reading the link earlier in this thread the tyre had been either a spare or stored in the garage it was 19 years old.
So why did the MOT station not warn me about the age of tyres. Again working on vehicles is his profession not mine.
Hold on a minute... I've just remembered why your username rings a bell... You're the one that bought a place with umpteen planning disputes then complained when the council thwapped you, aren't you? Pattern emerging...?
Correct I pay a professional money to carry out safety checks on my vehicles every 10 weeks. He is trained to do that I am not
hunton69 said:
All PSV's or HGV's will never suffer from this problem due to the mileages that they do unless they never use the spare.
Earlier in this thread, you told us about a coach crash due to aged tyres. Now you're saying this'll never happen, oh no.Let me explain. Try reading the link earlier in this thread the tyre had been either a spare or stored in the garage it was 19 years old.
hunton69 said:
A front blow out at speed in an RV is not something I wish to experience.
So either drive something less bloaty and wobbly, or take responsibility for it's maintenance properly. It's not like advice on old tyres hasn't been out there for years, ffs, especially in the shed-dragging world.So why did the MOT station not warn me about the age of tyres. Again working on vehicles is his profession not mine.
Hold on a minute... I've just remembered why your username rings a bell... You're the one that bought a place with umpteen planning disputes then complained when the council thwapped you, aren't you? Pattern emerging...?
What has that got to do with this thread. I havn't said I want to sue the garage.
Edited by hunton69 on Friday 22 August 06:38
Mr2Mike said:
LoonR1 said:
If you've ever been next to one when it explodes then you'll know how high the pressure is in them. It certainly woke me up!
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