Impersonating a police officer
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Interesting video.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f1d_1408132215
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f1d_1408132215
Edited by agtlaw on Saturday 16th August 12:15
There is a line between being allowed to film the camera van operator and intimidating him. This guy did behave in an intimidating manner by harrasing the chap and he deserved "words of advice"
But the cops screwed it up. Foot in the doir tactics were in themselves intimidating and smacks of a bit of tit for tat. The bloke coppers polite request for the man not to film, getting into a further argument was unecessary.
The police approach should have been less confrontational. They should have stated they were fine with him filming camera vans, them or anyone else in public but that his induct towards the camera van man was not acceptable and that they could if they wished arrest him for it.
Re his rather silly claim about impersonating a police officer, they should have invited him to come to the station and make a formal complaint which could easily be dismissed with a wetter from a Chief Inspector or someone.
But the cops screwed it up. Foot in the doir tactics were in themselves intimidating and smacks of a bit of tit for tat. The bloke coppers polite request for the man not to film, getting into a further argument was unecessary.
The police approach should have been less confrontational. They should have stated they were fine with him filming camera vans, them or anyone else in public but that his induct towards the camera van man was not acceptable and that they could if they wished arrest him for it.
Re his rather silly claim about impersonating a police officer, they should have invited him to come to the station and make a formal complaint which could easily be dismissed with a wetter from a Chief Inspector or someone.
wildcat45 said:
There is a line between being allowed to film the camera van operator and intimidating him. This guy did behave in an intimidating manner by harrasing the chap and he deserved "words of advice"
But the cops screwed it up. Foot in the doir tactics were in themselves intimidating and smacks of a bit of tit for tat. The bloke coppers polite request for the man not to film, getting into a further argument was unecessary.
The police approach should have been less confrontational. They should have stated they were fine with him filming camera vans, them or anyone else in public but that his induct towards the camera van man was not acceptable and that they could if they wished arrest him for it.
Re his rather silly claim about impersonating a police officer, they should have invited him to come to the station and make a formal complaint which could easily be dismissed with a wetter from a Chief Inspector or someone.
Agreed - someone needed a quiet word with him, but the foot in the door was a no no. If he refused to talk or answer the door then a strongly worded letter would have done..or nick him for the public order act offence they alleged during the conversation with himBut the cops screwed it up. Foot in the doir tactics were in themselves intimidating and smacks of a bit of tit for tat. The bloke coppers polite request for the man not to film, getting into a further argument was unecessary.
The police approach should have been less confrontational. They should have stated they were fine with him filming camera vans, them or anyone else in public but that his induct towards the camera van man was not acceptable and that they could if they wished arrest him for it.
Re his rather silly claim about impersonating a police officer, they should have invited him to come to the station and make a formal complaint which could easily be dismissed with a wetter from a Chief Inspector or someone.
Edited by Bigends on Saturday 16th August 12:18
The same rules apply to every like interaction. Know your purpose and powers.
The bloke's a knob so you need to expect he'll be on his doorstep, too.
I wonder if it would fit within "obstructing a constable" since it states one can obstruct "a person assisting a constable in the execution of the constable's duty". Although there's no power of entry for that, either.
The bloke's a knob so you need to expect he'll be on his doorstep, too.
Bigends said:
or nick him for the public order act offence they alleged during the conversation with him.
No power of entry I wonder if it would fit within "obstructing a constable" since it states one can obstruct "a person assisting a constable in the execution of the constable's duty". Although there's no power of entry for that, either.
On the assumption that Winsor isn't stupid - he's not too thick to follow directions from Cameron regarding what he should do in an independent enquiry - he must have known how wearing such a uniform to the National Police Memorial Day Service would seem to all the real police officers. If he'd turned up in a train driver's uniform he couldn't have looked more incongruous despite him having as much right to that.
Derek Smith said:
On the assumption that Winsor isn't stupid - he's not too thick to follow directions from Cameron regarding what he should do in an independent enquiry - he must have known how wearing such a uniform to the National Police Memorial Day Service would seem to all the real police officers. If he'd turned up in a train driver's uniform he couldn't have looked more incongruous despite him having as much right to that.
Although technically is that a HMIC uniform?http://www.hmic.gov.uk/about-us/who-we-are/previou...
La Liga said:
The same rules apply to every like interaction. Know your purpose and powers.
The bloke's a knob so you need to expect he'll be on his doorstep, too.
I wonder if it would fit within "obstructing a constable" since it states one can obstruct "a person assisting a constable in the execution of the constable's duty". Although there's no power of entry for that, either.
Exactly - doesnt look like they were sure why they were actually round there and what they were going to do though accusing him of committing a P.O.A offence citing alarm and distress caused the scamera operator.The bloke's a knob so you need to expect he'll be on his doorstep, too.
Bigends said:
or nick him for the public order act offence they alleged during the conversation with him.
No power of entry I wonder if it would fit within "obstructing a constable" since it states one can obstruct "a person assisting a constable in the execution of the constable's duty". Although there's no power of entry for that, either.
Edited by Bigends on Saturday 16th August 14:22
Vaud said:
I think the flashy bits are there to signify HMIC and the rest of the uniform is police. The bit you quoted was put on the website after Winsor's insult to serving officers. In other words, it is wrong.I quote from the web page:
"The uniforms associated with the role of Inspectors of Constabulary are not police uniforms (although they look similar). For instance, the insignia and cap badge contain the letters ‘HMIC’; the Chief Inspector’s insignia also includes a star."
I quote from the offence of impersonating a police officer:
"Any person who, not being a constable, wears any article of police uniform in circumstances where it gives him an appearance so nearly resembling that of a member of a police force as to be calculated to deceive shall be guilty of an offence . . . "
So the bit on the website was what many officers would call a cough.
Winsor turned up at a police oriented do. That was calculated to deceive in my book, as well as, to put it mildly, insensitive. This was for dead police officers.
Mind you, if the service was to commemorate the death of the police service, then he's got every right to be there as guest of honour.
Returning to the website excuse, the examples given, of a hat badge and an additional star, are little short of farcical. No one reads a cap badge and most people outside the police service (and closely associated with it it would appear) knows what all the rubbish on the collars means.
king noses, were they?Point 1
Foot in the door no warrant or being invited in and not removing after being asked many times in a calm and polite.
Point 2
The threat of removing your licence on medical grounds when you are not driving
Doesn't matter if you think the person who is doing the filming is not all there if the cops came that with me and I had it on film of their antics at my house I would be interested to hear from my solicitor on said film
Foot in the door no warrant or being invited in and not removing after being asked many times in a calm and polite.
Point 2
The threat of removing your licence on medical grounds when you are not driving
Doesn't matter if you think the person who is doing the filming is not all there if the cops came that with me and I had it on film of their antics at my house I would be interested to hear from my solicitor on said film
blue bear said:
Point 1
Foot in the door no warrant or being invited in and not removing after being asked many times in a calm and polite.
Point 2
The threat of removing your licence on medical grounds when you are not driving
Doesn't matter if you think the person who is doing the filming is not all there if the cops came that with me and I had it on film of their antics at my house I would be interested to hear from my solicitor on said film
I am not sure it would be classed as "calm and polite". But yes, thin ground for stepping inside. Foot in the door no warrant or being invited in and not removing after being asked many times in a calm and polite.
Point 2
The threat of removing your licence on medical grounds when you are not driving
Doesn't matter if you think the person who is doing the filming is not all there if the cops came that with me and I had it on film of their antics at my house I would be interested to hear from my solicitor on said film
Mk3Spitfire said:
blue bear said:
Point 1
Foot in the door no warrant or being invited in and not removing after being asked many times in a calm and polite.
Point 2
The threat of removing your licence on medical grounds when you are not driving
Doesn't matter if you think the person who is doing the filming is not all there if the cops came that with me and I had it on film of their antics at my house I would be interested to hear from my solicitor on said film
I am not sure it would be classed as "calm and polite". Foot in the door no warrant or being invited in and not removing after being asked many times in a calm and polite.
Point 2
The threat of removing your licence on medical grounds when you are not driving
Doesn't matter if you think the person who is doing the filming is not all there if the cops came that with me and I had it on film of their antics at my house I would be interested to hear from my solicitor on said film
Mk3Spitfire said:
But yes, thin ground for stepping inside.
As already mentioned, it looks like revenge intimidation from a prior assumption of the same from the moviemaker.Mk3Spitfire said:
blue bear said:
Point 1
Foot in the door no warrant or being invited in and not removing after being asked many times in a calm and polite.
Point 2
The threat of removing your licence on medical grounds when you are not driving
Doesn't matter if you think the person who is doing the filming is not all there if the cops came that with me and I had it on film of their antics at my house I would be interested to hear from my solicitor on said film
I am not sure it would be classed as "calm and polite". But yes, thin ground for stepping inside. Foot in the door no warrant or being invited in and not removing after being asked many times in a calm and polite.
Point 2
The threat of removing your licence on medical grounds when you are not driving
Doesn't matter if you think the person who is doing the filming is not all there if the cops came that with me and I had it on film of their antics at my house I would be interested to hear from my solicitor on said film
turbobloke said:
Mk3Spitfire said:
blue bear said:
Point 1
Foot in the door no warrant or being invited in and not removing after being asked many times in a calm and polite.
Point 2
The threat of removing your licence on medical grounds when you are not driving
Doesn't matter if you think the person who is doing the filming is not all there if the cops came that with me and I had it on film of their antics at my house I would be interested to hear from my solicitor on said film
I am not sure it would be classed as "calm and polite". Foot in the door no warrant or being invited in and not removing after being asked many times in a calm and polite.
Point 2
The threat of removing your licence on medical grounds when you are not driving
Doesn't matter if you think the person who is doing the filming is not all there if the cops came that with me and I had it on film of their antics at my house I would be interested to hear from my solicitor on said film
Mk3Spitfire said:
But yes, thin ground for stepping inside.
As already mentioned, it looks like revenge intimidation from a prior assumption of the same from the moviemaker.
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