advice/help needed reg. motorbike crash
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well thank you thats the kind of information i was after and was unaware of that. I will always be the first to admit when im in the wrong and do not have a 'victim mentality' however if someone were to manoeuvre into you on your R1 be it reversing without looking behind, chatting on the phone and changing lanes without looking/indicating all of which i see regularly whilst out riding im sure you would be pretty pi$$ed too and not appreciate being told you had a 'victim mentality' i suppose in one way you are right and that you only have my account to go on and despite me knowing it to be fact you only have my word to go on.
And i didnt get away scott free. am still in hospital now with fractured hip, sternum, shattered right arm and three fractured vertabra. although that all might be down to my 'victim mentality'
And i didnt get away scott free. am still in hospital now with fractured hip, sternum, shattered right arm and three fractured vertabra. although that all might be down to my 'victim mentality'
I think the highway code 130 point, is your problem, as it says enter the hatched area "if safe to do so"
As the rider doing the overtake I assume the responsibility is on you to be aware of "every" eventuality happening between you pulling out to overtake and pulling back in after.
So OP but I have to agree with whats been said, suck it up and take the course, as id fear if you fought this it could end up a whole lot worse for you.
Stepdaughter is currently is dispute with drivers insurance that ran in to her.
Shes waitin to cross standing traffic, (single carriage way with hatched areas either side but with a solid line round them) get waved across as she does boy racer Bob comes steaming down the hatched area and stuffs her across the road.
His insurance want an 80/20 split in his favour shes having none of it.
As the rider doing the overtake I assume the responsibility is on you to be aware of "every" eventuality happening between you pulling out to overtake and pulling back in after.
So OP but I have to agree with whats been said, suck it up and take the course, as id fear if you fought this it could end up a whole lot worse for you.
Stepdaughter is currently is dispute with drivers insurance that ran in to her.
Shes waitin to cross standing traffic, (single carriage way with hatched areas either side but with a solid line round them) get waved across as she does boy racer Bob comes steaming down the hatched area and stuffs her across the road.
His insurance want an 80/20 split in his favour shes having none of it.
I'm glad you're OKish and that the worst you face is a claim and a riding course.
I've done over ten advanced riding courses (as well as any number of trackdays, though that's of less relevance here) and I seem to recall ex-police riders telling me to go well above the NSL, so long as I deemed it safe and fully observed the road and traffic conditions, at my own risk obviously. Exactly the same with overtakes; I'm sure your instructor said that you could overtake there, so long as it was safe. The fact that you failed to observe a turning - and were involved in a crash as a result - is proof that it wasn't the best move you could have made.
Galling, but take the course. And never trust a driver.
I've done over ten advanced riding courses (as well as any number of trackdays, though that's of less relevance here) and I seem to recall ex-police riders telling me to go well above the NSL, so long as I deemed it safe and fully observed the road and traffic conditions, at my own risk obviously. Exactly the same with overtakes; I'm sure your instructor said that you could overtake there, so long as it was safe. The fact that you failed to observe a turning - and were involved in a crash as a result - is proof that it wasn't the best move you could have made.
Galling, but take the course. And never trust a driver.
it wasnt a turning. the road is about 4 miles away from my house and travel it on average once a day. The private lane that the driver turned into was to a farmyard that has a shut gate at the roadside to stop people driving in. it wasnt that i didnt observe them turning its that they initiate the turn as i was immediately behind and to the right
I dont see how the guy that crashed into your daughter could be anything but 100% at fault. they chose to use the hatching without ensuring the path was clear and it was safe to do so which before someone says it is completely different from my crash.
I dont see how the guy that crashed into your daughter could be anything but 100% at fault. they chose to use the hatching without ensuring the path was clear and it was safe to do so which before someone says it is completely different from my crash.
smiffyraf1 said:
well thank you thats the kind of information i was after and was unaware of that. I will always be the first to admit when im in the wrong and do not have a 'victim mentality' however if someone were to manoeuvre into you on your R1 be it reversing without looking behind, chatting on the phone and changing lanes without looking/indicating all of which i see regularly whilst out riding im sure you would be pretty pi$$ed too and not appreciate being told you had a 'victim mentality' i suppose in one way you are right and that you only have my account to go on and despite me knowing it to be fact you only have my word to go on.
And i didnt get away scott free. am still in hospital now with fractured hip, sternum, shattered right arm and three fractured vertabra. although that all might be down to my 'victim mentality'
It's a general comment around victim mentality that's borne out by on efforts that I used to frequent and to a lesser extent Biker banter on here. I see crap riding and crap driving every day, sometimes I'm one of the drivers / riders doing it. And i didnt get away scott free. am still in hospital now with fractured hip, sternum, shattered right arm and three fractured vertabra. although that all might be down to my 'victim mentality'
I didn't suggest getting away scot free, but you need to stop confusing the alleged driving offence and the insurance claim, they are two separate cases, brought under different aspects of E&W law and more or less distinct from each other.
This thread adequately explains why I will never overtake when there's hatched markings, when some of my friends will. I don't fancy my chances of fighting a case against a prosecution for doing so.
Sorry OP, I feel sorry for you and no doubt the other driver was a berk, but you shouldn't have overtaken there.
Sorry OP, I feel sorry for you and no doubt the other driver was a berk, but you shouldn't have overtaken there.
My view, the wording "Necessary and safe to do so", can only be interpreted by a judge. Necessary to pass a moving vehicle I think May not fall in this category of necessary.
We have these hatched areas where the bus parks up, so in that situation it is necessary to use them.
Then again, the car driver seems not to have followed the basic mirror, signal, manoeuvre.
Thank god you weren't seriously hurt.
We have these hatched areas where the bus parks up, so in that situation it is necessary to use them.
Then again, the car driver seems not to have followed the basic mirror, signal, manoeuvre.
Thank god you weren't seriously hurt.
this is where i started to overtake https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.302894,-0.541627...
crash happened at the bottom of the pic in this one
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.303372,-0.541625...
i know your going to say that it has turn markers on the road but if you look at the lane you will see what im talking about (on the right) the one on the left is an emergency crash gate for RAF scampton. also there are no public road signs to indicate a turning approaching.
crash happened at the bottom of the pic in this one
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.303372,-0.541625...
i know your going to say that it has turn markers on the road but if you look at the lane you will see what im talking about (on the right) the one on the left is an emergency crash gate for RAF scampton. also there are no public road signs to indicate a turning approaching.
LoonR1 said:
It's a general comment around victim mentality that's borne out by on efforts that I used to frequent and to a lesser extent Biker banter on here. I see crap riding and crap driving every day, sometimes I'm one of the drivers / riders doing it.
I didn't suggest getting away scot free, but you need to stop confusing the alleged driving offence and the insurance claim, they are two separate cases, brought under different aspects of E&W law and more or less distinct from each other.
i didnt realise this bit which is why i thanked you. i thought they would take into account one when dealing with the otherI didn't suggest getting away scot free, but you need to stop confusing the alleged driving offence and the insurance claim, they are two separate cases, brought under different aspects of E&W law and more or less distinct from each other.
smiffyraf1 said:
this is where i started to overtake https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.302894,-0.541627...
crash happened at the bottom of the pic in this one
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.303372,-0.541625...
i know your going to say that it has turn markers on the road but if you look at the lane you will see what im talking about (on the right) the one on the left is an emergency crash gate for RAF scampton. also there are no public road signs to indicate a turning approaching.
You're off your head trying an overtake there. Even a novice would know that a car in front could easily move to the right for the later turn. crash happened at the bottom of the pic in this one
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.303372,-0.541625...
i know your going to say that it has turn markers on the road but if you look at the lane you will see what im talking about (on the right) the one on the left is an emergency crash gate for RAF scampton. also there are no public road signs to indicate a turning approaching.
Is it the council's fault now for not putting up a sign?
Poor obs.
smiffyraf1 said:
its not a turn you complete tard. its a private residence. its not a public road. how are your obs?!
What's a private residence? The road with the hatchings? You were on the road, you crossed the hatching to overtake and someone pulled right into you. Have I got that right?If so then there's a little turning to the right, it a much more likely turning a bit further down, that's nicely marked out with the hatchings and arrows.
Not sure how I'm a "complete tard", but thanks for the positive reinforcement.
smiffyraf1 said:
its not a turn you complete tard. its a private residence. its not a public road. how are your obs?!
Could he physically turn into it from his position & speed?If so it's an option available to him, so beware passing.
What is the outcome you are hoping for from all this?
no both the ones on the right are too a private residence, a farm. the first one is just tractors and the second is for the private vehicles at the farm. the turn on the left is so emergency vehicles can access the airfield in the even of a crash/fire on the runway again not a road to anywhere
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