Have I been arrested?
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Breadvan72 said:
That's just like the way it happened ...The evil custody sergeant was like ... using "the force" an' everything
Another time, the police made me play Russian Roulette with a firearms officer's pistol 'cos I wanted a copy of PACE ... just like The Deer Hunter.
You weren't there man !!!
Edited by Red 4 on Friday 29th August 11:22
boristhebold said:
Were you high as a kite throughout the whole week long process ? Being taken to a Police station and dealt with is generally a huge event for most people and even decades later most people can recall the events. (The exceptions usually being the low lifes to whom it happens weekly)
I may have missed these questions/answers. Were you booked in by a custody officer ? property taken from you, given access to a solicitor, the usual phone call and copy of PACE codes of practice offered ? In order to ensure that you went back a week later I'd imagine that they gave you some form of paperwork rather than expect a 'kid' to remember precisely when to return ? When you did return did you sign anything ? I.E A caution form ?
No, it was my first and only time of being in trouble.... that involved the Police anyway :he he:I may have missed these questions/answers. Were you booked in by a custody officer ? property taken from you, given access to a solicitor, the usual phone call and copy of PACE codes of practice offered ? In order to ensure that you went back a week later I'd imagine that they gave you some form of paperwork rather than expect a 'kid' to remember precisely when to return ? When you did return did you sign anything ? I.E A caution form ?
Had all my possessions taken from me and placed in a cell of sorts before I was interviewed. Can't remember any paperwork but the interview was taped. I was so scared at the time I would have done whatever they said so the idea of not returning the following week didn't really enter my mind.
Mk3Spitfire said:
Not at all. I wasn't going to say it because I didn't want to make out I was doubting his story, but I can honestly say I have NEVER seen someone refused a copy of the COP at all. Never. It's such an easy and simple thing that there's no point in denying it. I also can't imagine someone being "choked" for asking for writing materials. It's not my responsibility once they're in custody, but I have never seen anything but complete professionalism in the custody suites of the 2 forces I've worked in.
I have refused a copy of the codes, but only for good reasons that I recorded on the custody record eg detainee smashing up cell, suicide risk etc.And no, I never stood around twiddling my thumbs whilst a detainee read it from cover to cover either, as some believed was their right too!
As a matter of interest the 'one phone call' is an Americanism that is not a right in this country either!
When too drunk for rights I can understand, but just to be a pain, I can't see the point. Like it's been said, too many cameras and just no reason to.
Often still get asked when they can have "their phone call". I shatter their dreams about that being from American films. Right before I tell them that they are entitled to an attorney, and that if they cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for them.
Often still get asked when they can have "their phone call". I shatter their dreams about that being from American films. Right before I tell them that they are entitled to an attorney, and that if they cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for them.
I'm not going to go into the full details. However the police officer on here will know that not all custody suites have full recording in all areas. The fact that some police officers will ask for you so sit in the area to have a chat which is for you and your solicitor says they don't want everything recorded. Similarly they wouldn't be able to attack anyone in those areas because you have a protective sheet of Perspex between both parties. Furthermore I can tell of many stations where some cells have been cameras. I've been pulled out of one because they needed to the recording cell for someone who seemed distressed.
As I said I'm not anti police. Mk3 I don't continually get arrested. All my convictions are now spent, however it did go through a period of self destruction where I experienced all of those things. I have no reason to tell lies, I've got no reason to put the police down. Most were very good, and I count a couple as people I respect for really helping me out. A few were arsy but then I was probably acting in a way to cause that.
I was never ever given writing materials. On two occasions I was given an old book (mainly either John Grisham types Or andy McCabe etc...), I was massively grateful for this as it meant that the utter boredom and monotony of sitting for hours in cell was relieved. Books should be given to people as a matter of course. I'd happily donate old books to my police station, but when I offered was told they would not take them.
As I said I'm not anti police. Mk3 I don't continually get arrested. All my convictions are now spent, however it did go through a period of self destruction where I experienced all of those things. I have no reason to tell lies, I've got no reason to put the police down. Most were very good, and I count a couple as people I respect for really helping me out. A few were arsy but then I was probably acting in a way to cause that.
I was never ever given writing materials. On two occasions I was given an old book (mainly either John Grisham types Or andy McCabe etc...), I was massively grateful for this as it meant that the utter boredom and monotony of sitting for hours in cell was relieved. Books should be given to people as a matter of course. I'd happily donate old books to my police station, but when I offered was told they would not take them.
I obviously can't say what your demeanour was like in the cells, and I don't know anything about you, but sometimes there is good cause for refusing certain things.
Pens for example are very sharp and make good weapons. Paper, believe it or not can be used for cutting one's self (albeit unlikely to be fatal).
Custody suites are becoming more and more like a goldfish bowl. This can only be a good thing IMO.
Pens for example are very sharp and make good weapons. Paper, believe it or not can be used for cutting one's self (albeit unlikely to be fatal).
Custody suites are becoming more and more like a goldfish bowl. This can only be a good thing IMO.
Fair enough - I wasn't actually trying to lay blame to anyone or anything. I was just giving some examples to the poster to say how real life realities work, and how sometimes the usual script can't be relied upon.
I know exactly why I was refused those things, and do understand what you are saying. As you well know there is more to the story than I've gone into, however me dragging up stuff from years ago isn't going to help this discussion at all. I wasn't suicidal or self harming, but I was more than willing to be difficult when I threw my teddy out of the pram. I was more childish than anything, and I'm very embarrassed looking back and thinking about it.
I know exactly why I was refused those things, and do understand what you are saying. As you well know there is more to the story than I've gone into, however me dragging up stuff from years ago isn't going to help this discussion at all. I wasn't suicidal or self harming, but I was more than willing to be difficult when I threw my teddy out of the pram. I was more childish than anything, and I'm very embarrassed looking back and thinking about it.
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