SPEEDOS or PEDOs - Should officials face the rap?
Discussion
In my thread about the change.org petition about the pension for police widows I mooted that Theresa May, Kinky Boots or 'That woman' has some may have been known to refer to her as was on the ropes.
With hindsight why bother smearing Andrew Mitchell when you could have just waited for this to come out?
That could be another nail in the PCC coffin?
Unfortunately this nonsense in Rotherham involves having to admit that some police officers would rather protect child rapists and child pimps than do the job they pledged when they took the oath and what they get paid for.
Embattled PCC Shaun Wright serves on Home Office child abuse task force by Tom Whitehead 22.00 9 September 2014 Telegraph website said:
Shaun Wright, the embattled police and crime commissioner who has refused to resign over the Rotherham child abuse scandal, sits on a Home Office task force combating child sexual violence, it has emerged.
The South Yorkshire PCC is a key representative for the Association of Police and Crime Commissioners on the sexual violence against children and vulnerable people national group.
The revelation is an embarrassment for Theresa May, the Home Secretary, who, along with David Cameron, called on Mr Wright to stand down after a damning report revealed the sexual exploitation of at least 1,400 children in Rotherham over 16 years.
from: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11085...The South Yorkshire PCC is a key representative for the Association of Police and Crime Commissioners on the sexual violence against children and vulnerable people national group.
The revelation is an embarrassment for Theresa May, the Home Secretary, who, along with David Cameron, called on Mr Wright to stand down after a damning report revealed the sexual exploitation of at least 1,400 children in Rotherham over 16 years.
With hindsight why bother smearing Andrew Mitchell when you could have just waited for this to come out?
That could be another nail in the PCC coffin?
Unfortunately this nonsense in Rotherham involves having to admit that some police officers would rather protect child rapists and child pimps than do the job they pledged when they took the oath and what they get paid for.
Edited by carinaman on Wednesday 10th September 04:33
Two months ago Cameron was on about making it an offence not to report child abuse:
http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/Child-abuse-PM-...
But the very agencies that we'd be reporting it to are the ones that are covering it up?
So while some police get their high vis. knickers in a twist over people warning others of speed traps other police are hiding the sexual exploitation of minors. It's political correctness gone mad!
http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/Child-abuse-PM-...
But the very agencies that we'd be reporting it to are the ones that are covering it up?
So while some police get their high vis. knickers in a twist over people warning others of speed traps other police are hiding the sexual exploitation of minors. It's political correctness gone mad!
singlecoil said:
at CM's attempts to get this thread going again.We have seen others who were in positions of authority at the relevant time plan to stand down. Considering the South Yorks PCC's role in this emergent scandal, I think it's fair to expect his current position to be under the spotlight and some considerable pressure. Being in charge of the local authority's child protection role and failing to deal with 1400 children being abused, despite being warned about it seems to be, to me at least, incompatible. To put that same incompetent person in a role where they oversee policing, in charge of a force already under pressure for their own incompetence, appears to be equally incompatible.
I there is one similarity between all of these events, it's that the individual involved simply doesn't want to listen. Is this the kind of person we want as (elected) PCC?
Edited for some awful English.
Edited by tenpenceshort on Friday 12th September 12:29
From 30 seconds in to one minute in 'The bottom line is it's not a vote winner' says a former police officer:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04gcdtb
BBC Radio 4 World at One Fri. 12 Sept. 2014
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04gcdtb
BBC Radio 4 World at One Fri. 12 Sept. 2014
Words almost fail me! If paedo activity was going on in my street, and there was any suspicion I knew about it I'd expoect to be vigorously questioned. Shaun Wright and others knew this was going on - THEY should face justice (as the perpetrators also should).
Digressing I know - But if Rolf Harris et al can be tried after all these years, then the police connected to the Hillborough tragedy can as well (bet that will never happen!). Shaun Wright and crew should also be tried. Selective Justice???
I just can't comprehend what's happening in our county lately. Very saddening.
Digressing I know - But if Rolf Harris et al can be tried after all these years, then the police connected to the Hillborough tragedy can as well (bet that will never happen!). Shaun Wright and crew should also be tried. Selective Justice???
I just can't comprehend what's happening in our county lately. Very saddening.
Fastpedeller said:
Digressing I know - But if Rolf Harris et al can be tried after all these years, then the police connected to the Hillborough tragedy can as well (bet that will never happen!).
Time's not a barrier to prosecution. Evidence is, though. If there's sufficient evidence for a realistic prospect of conviction then people will end up in a criminal court. I don't expect there to be enough evidence to prosecute people, but we'll what continues to emerge from the inquest and subsequent investigations.
La Liga said:
ime's not a barrier to prosecution. Evidence is, though.
If there's sufficient evidence for a realistic prospect of conviction then people will end up in a criminal court. I don't expect there to be enough evidence to prosecute people, but we'll what continues to emerge from the inquest and subsequent investigations.
It has already been stated that a senior police officer has retired and therefore will not be pursued. If that is the case then justice is not being carried out.If there's sufficient evidence for a realistic prospect of conviction then people will end up in a criminal court. I don't expect there to be enough evidence to prosecute people, but we'll what continues to emerge from the inquest and subsequent investigations.
Which statement about whom?
It sounds like you're confusing internal procedures with criminal ones. It matters not if someone's retired if there's sufficient evidence to prosecute for a criminal offence. You obviously can't put someone through an organisation's internal procedures when they don't belong to the organisation any more.
It sounds like you're confusing internal procedures with criminal ones. It matters not if someone's retired if there's sufficient evidence to prosecute for a criminal offence. You obviously can't put someone through an organisation's internal procedures when they don't belong to the organisation any more.
La Liga said:
Which statement about whom?
It sounds like you're confusing internal procedures with criminal ones. It matters not if someone's retired if there's sufficient evidence to prosecute for a criminal offence. You obviously can't put someone through an organisation's internal procedures when they don't belong to the organisation any more.
I don't recall, as it was a few months ago in the news. What you have said above is reassuring.It sounds like you're confusing internal procedures with criminal ones. It matters not if someone's retired if there's sufficient evidence to prosecute for a criminal offence. You obviously can't put someone through an organisation's internal procedures when they don't belong to the organisation any more.
Fastpedeller said:
Words almost fail me! If paedo activity was going on in my street, and there was any suspicion I knew about it I'd expoect to be vigorously questioned. Shaun Wright and others knew this was going on - THEY should face justice (as the perpetrators also should).
Digressing I know - But if Rolf Harris et al can be tried after all these years, then the police connected to the Hillborough tragedy can as well (bet that will never happen!). Shaun Wright and crew should also be tried. Selective Justice???
I just can't comprehend what's happening in our county lately. Very saddening.
Look at DLT on trial now.Digressing I know - But if Rolf Harris et al can be tried after all these years, then the police connected to the Hillborough tragedy can as well (bet that will never happen!). Shaun Wright and crew should also be tried. Selective Justice???
I just can't comprehend what's happening in our county lately. Very saddening.
There's evidence about what went on in Rotherham, and three reports that can't now be found in council archives. Some people think that they're above the law. I find it difficult to separate those targeting the kids for their own ends and those that covered it up and destroyed evidence.
How does 'losing' three reports about the sexual exploitation of minors compare to the Huhne, Pryce and Judge Briscoe speeding points swapping fibs?
If speeding motorists are public enemy number one, where do paedophiles come on that list?
Following File on 4 on Radio 4 on Tuesday evening about Cyril Smith and Knowl View and how another prominent kiddie fiddler besides Smith has since died, the mainstream media don't seem that interested in Melanie Shaw and whether she's facing justice or a legalised kangaroo court. Is her detention in HMP Peterborough comparable with the three 'lost' reports about what was going on in Rotherham?
Perhaps when speeding motorists don't yet face secret courts they're not public enemy number one?
Satah Champion MP 'I've spoken to police forces all over the Country about child sex grooming gangs. They said it was too resource heavy so they had been turning a blind eye.'
GATSOs means motorists are less resource heavy than child sex grooming gangs. Plus there's no PC, racial angle to persecuting motorists is there?
GATSOs means motorists are less resource heavy than child sex grooming gangs. Plus there's no PC, racial angle to persecuting motorists is there?
With finite resources, police forces take the stance that since children are in much greater danger from speeding drivers than paedophiles it's eminently sensible to target the real danger:
There are few reliable statistics on stranger danger and the increase in child molestation and abduction. It can be said with certainty though that the number of reported cases remained extremely small. A much greater threat to children's lives was road traffic accidents..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8399749.stm
The risk posed to children from paedophiles is miniscule, and unchanged in the last fifty years. The largest single cause of premature death among children globally is drivers, so it makes sense to target the real source of danger.
There are few reliable statistics on stranger danger and the increase in child molestation and abduction. It can be said with certainty though that the number of reported cases remained extremely small. A much greater threat to children's lives was road traffic accidents..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8399749.stm
The risk posed to children from paedophiles is miniscule, and unchanged in the last fifty years. The largest single cause of premature death among children globally is drivers, so it makes sense to target the real source of danger.
OTBC said:
With finite resources, police forces take the stance that since children are in much greater danger from speeding drivers than paedophiles it's eminently sensible to target the real danger:
There are few reliable statistics on stranger danger and the increase in child molestation and abduction. It can be said with certainty though that the number of reported cases remained extremely small. A much greater threat to children's lives was road traffic accidents..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8399749.stm
The risk posed to children from paedophiles is miniscule, and unchanged in the last fifty years. The largest single cause of premature death among children globally is drivers, so it makes sense to target the real source of danger.
That link you posted is interseting. IIRC Myra Hyndley knew most or all of the children she abducted, so her case isn't a part of 'stranger danger.' The piece only reported on reported cases of paedophilia, and as we know it is a subject cloaked and clouded in such mystery, with paedophiles helped by people operating at the highest levles of society - as latest cases are coming to light of crimes commited in the 50,s, 60s, 70s, 80s and later show - I think we can safely say there is simply no knowledge of the scale of the problem.There are few reliable statistics on stranger danger and the increase in child molestation and abduction. It can be said with certainty though that the number of reported cases remained extremely small. A much greater threat to children's lives was road traffic accidents..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8399749.stm
The risk posed to children from paedophiles is miniscule, and unchanged in the last fifty years. The largest single cause of premature death among children globally is drivers, so it makes sense to target the real source of danger.
The piece says - and I think you may be having trouble fully understanding this - "There are few reliable statistics on stranger danger and the increase in child molestation and abduction. It can be said with certainty though that the number of reported cases remained extremely small. A much greater threat to children's lives was road traffic accidents - made worse by the increasing number of parents who began driving their children to and from school in order to protect them from the dangers of the outside world. "
Two points - One - it says 'reported'. Two - it was written in 2009; haven't we learned so much more in such a small space of time?
The cases of the latest grooming gangs show that even today we have no idea of the scale of the problem and I'm sure we all wonder what we're going to learn next.
Yet it seems OTBC that you have a firm grip and knowledge of the subject and are totally sure of the figures, presumably even including children who are taken abroad and killed by family members.
As I've been saying, if one truly wanted to save lives you'd seek to do so somewhere other than the safest roads in the world. If you were truly bothered about the dangers children (or adults) face from vehicle traffic in other parts of the globe then you would leave the uk and go to those places, but there is absolutely no point in trying to tackle road safety in the third world and elsewhere by prosecuting drivers in the UK.
OTBC said:
We have nowhere near the safest roads in the world, with child casualties we are fourth from the bottom of nineteen European countries.
I'm not seeing that anywhere. I'm finding stuff like this http://www.childsafetyeurope.org/publications/info...which has a page >>Fatal road traffic injuries of children (0-19 years) in the EU27* Rates per 100,000 population
Source: WHO Mortality Database, 5 year average of the latest available years, in most cases 2000 - 2004<<
I've found a later document from the same source for years 2005 - 2009 but can't find the link right now.
They're both rating us third overall for road safety in europe for the 0 -19 age group.
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