SPEEDOS or PEDOs - Should officials face the rap?
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http://www.roadsafetyweek.org.uk/component/content...
These appalling figures show that we still have a long way to go in protecting our children’s safety on roads. In fact, the UK has the joint fourth worst child pedestrian death rate (per population) in Western Europe -seven times higher than Finland’s and three-and-a-half times higher than Holland and Italy. [5]
Children in the UK are at much greater risk from drivers than predators, it makes sense for the cops to target the real danger.
OTBC said:
http://www.roadsafetyweek.org.uk/component/content...
These appalling figures show that we still have a long way to go in protecting our children’s safety on roads. In fact, the UK has the joint fourth worst child pedestrian death rate (per population) in Western Europe -seven times higher than Finland’s and three-and-a-half times higher than Holland and Italy. [5]
Children in the UK are at much greater risk from drivers than predators, it makes sense for the cops to target the real danger.
I think you'll find those figures are disputed http://www.childsafetyeurope.org/publications/info... as well as being out of date.These appalling figures show that we still have a long way to go in protecting our children’s safety on roads. In fact, the UK has the joint fourth worst child pedestrian death rate (per population) in Western Europe -seven times higher than Finland’s and three-and-a-half times higher than Holland and Italy. [5]
Children in the UK are at much greater risk from drivers than predators, it makes sense for the cops to target the real danger.
Indeed for safety of children across the board (all accidents not just road safety) again we're third.
>>Page 3 All injury and unintentional injury deaths for children and adolescents
(Europe age adjusted rate per 100 000 population 0-19 years)<<
In other aspects of road safety we are about mid-way and obviously could do better, but nowhere would I say we are 'appalling' - other than we are consistently rated as having the unhealthiest and unhappiest children in Europe (whereas our neighbours the Dutch are consistently rated as having the happiest children in the world) but this is a completely different subject.
I'll read your link now with a cup of tea but right now I'm thinking you've fallen hook line and sinker for the typical misleading scaremongering crap from BRAKE.
Not sure why you want to berate the drivers of today with an 8 year old document but here's the 6 year younger version. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
Does your point still stand?
Does your point still stand?
Yes, it's true, in a discussion about road safety if you include injuries that have nothing to do with road safety you get a different picture, why on earth you would want to do that is something only you can answer. We have an appalling record of child safety, the single largest cause of premature death among children is motor traffic, why on earth are you desperate to fudge the issue by banging on about injuries and deaths that have nothing to do with road safety?
The subject is the safety of children. Children more than ten times more likely to be killed on the road than by a predator, so it's entirely proper that the police concentrate on where the main danger comes from. Drivers.
The subject is the safety of children. Children more than ten times more likely to be killed on the road than by a predator, so it's entirely proper that the police concentrate on where the main danger comes from. Drivers.
heebeegeetee said:
Not sure why you want to berate the drivers of today with an 8 year old document but here's the 6 year younger version. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
Does your point still stand?
Can you show me where in that 260 page document it says the danger to children is greater from predators than drivers? Does your point still stand?
(Heres a clue. It doesn't. Your link confirms what I've said, the danger is far greater on the roads. If you disagree please post the section that demonstrates your case)
OTBC said:
Can you show me where in that 260 page document it says the danger to children is greater from predators than drivers?
(Heres a clue. It doesn't. Your link confirms what I've said, the danger is far greater on the roads. If you disagree please post the section that demonstrates your case)
No. You're the one making the fuss about paedophiles. You show us the figures. *All* you have are the figures that show reported cases and *everybody* knows that that is the tip of the iceberg.(Heres a clue. It doesn't. Your link confirms what I've said, the danger is far greater on the roads. If you disagree please post the section that demonstrates your case)
We all know that rtas are well reported. We all know that sexual abuse of children is absolutely not well reported, and we know that when children do report they are frequently ignored, as ongoing cases today are revealing. You're the only person I've ever heard of who claims to accurately know the scale of sexual abuse of children in the uk, so you show us the figures - but if you just use the number of reported cases then you are dodging the issue.
I've shown you WHO reports that show the uk to be about third overall in Europe both in terms of road safety and of overall accidental safety. All you've got to counter that is one 8 year old report highlighted by Brake in 2007.
Btw 'my' reports seem to show that if boys behaved like girls then the rta stats would be even lower and thats with the same speeding paedophile drivers on the road.
Edited by heebeegeetee on Wednesday 29th October 11:38
You think it's possible that a hundred and thirty children are murdered by predators every year and we just don't hear about it? Come off it, that's paranoid fantasy, your own link shows that by a large measure the greatest danger to kids comes from motor traffic, no reputable organisation or person, apart from you, has ever disputed this.
Your stance is quite grubby actually, so desperate are you to lie and obscure the truism that drivers pose the greatest danger to children that you invent dead children to bolster your case. Sleazy, in the extreme.
Your stance is quite grubby actually, so desperate are you to lie and obscure the truism that drivers pose the greatest danger to children that you invent dead children to bolster your case. Sleazy, in the extreme.
OTBC said:
Your stance is quite grubby actually, so desperate are you to lie and obscure the truism that drivers pose the greatest danger to children that you invent dead children to bolster your case. Sleazy, in the extreme.
Says the bloke clinging to one 8 year old report to back his case.So I'll say it again - Apparently 6,000 children die each year in the uk. Our accident safety record is very good (for all accident types) despite your lies to the contrary (or gullibility, whichever it is). Our health and well-being record for children is absolutely not good.
So if you were *at all* interested in the welfare of children you would look elsewhere. Our record on safety stand right up there with the best Europe can offer and you have lied about this throughout two threads currently running.
You read one typical Daily Mail-esque report from that ludicrous 'charity' BRAKE and you've swallowed it hook, line and sinker. Someone else has suggested that you are perhaps very young, and you certainly are coming across as naieve and gullible to me, and lack of age and wisdom would explain your nonsensical and offensive use of the subject of peadophilia to back up your dishonest case.
I do seriously wonder what goes on with the people behind some our road safety 'campaigns'. I mean, do you have to be just congenitally dishonest before you can get on board?
I haven't posted any links to the Mail or Brake, what are you talking about?
The thread's about the risk to children from abusers and children. Nothing you've posted constitutes a shred of evidence that the risk to children is higher from abusers than from drivers, and I haven't posted any links to the Mail or Brake so I'll thank you for not misquoting me.
Drivers kill ten times more children than abusers do in the UK. I have no idea why you keep nagging on about other accidents, they've nothing to do with the subject.
2012, the UK is in the BOTTOM 25% of EU countries:
http://www.racfoundation.org/assets/rac_foundation...
an analysis of the road safety management and plans of European countries ranks the UK within the bottom 25%, which suggests that the slowdown in road safety performance might also be related to systemic planning failures, rather than external factors alone such as the weather.
The thread's about the risk to children from abusers and children. Nothing you've posted constitutes a shred of evidence that the risk to children is higher from abusers than from drivers, and I haven't posted any links to the Mail or Brake so I'll thank you for not misquoting me.
Drivers kill ten times more children than abusers do in the UK. I have no idea why you keep nagging on about other accidents, they've nothing to do with the subject.
2012, the UK is in the BOTTOM 25% of EU countries:
http://www.racfoundation.org/assets/rac_foundation...
an analysis of the road safety management and plans of European countries ranks the UK within the bottom 25%, which suggests that the slowdown in road safety performance might also be related to systemic planning failures, rather than external factors alone such as the weather.
OTBC said:
I haven't posted any links to the Mail or Brake, what are you talking about?
The thread's about the risk to children from abusers and children. Nothing you've posted constitutes a shred of evidence that the risk to children is higher from abusers than from drivers, and I haven't posted any links to the Mail or Brake so I'll thank you for not misquoting me.
Drivers kill ten times more children than abusers do in the UK. I have no idea why you keep nagging on about other accidents, they've nothing to do with the subject.
2012, the UK is in the BOTTOM 25% of EU countries:
http://www.racfoundation.org/assets/rac_foundation...
an analysis of the road safety management and plans of European countries ranks the UK within the bottom 25%, which suggests that the slowdown in road safety performance might also be related to systemic planning failures, rather than external factors alone such as the weather.
I'm not entirely sure you are reading your own stats very well, nowhere in that RAC Foundation report could I find what you are quoting above?The thread's about the risk to children from abusers and children. Nothing you've posted constitutes a shred of evidence that the risk to children is higher from abusers than from drivers, and I haven't posted any links to the Mail or Brake so I'll thank you for not misquoting me.
Drivers kill ten times more children than abusers do in the UK. I have no idea why you keep nagging on about other accidents, they've nothing to do with the subject.
2012, the UK is in the BOTTOM 25% of EU countries:
http://www.racfoundation.org/assets/rac_foundation...
an analysis of the road safety management and plans of European countries ranks the UK within the bottom 25%, which suggests that the slowdown in road safety performance might also be related to systemic planning failures, rather than external factors alone such as the weather.
RAC Foundation said
"It is clear that the UK has underperformed on road death improvement in comparison with much of the rest of Europe.However, in absolute terms, the UK, along with Sweden, the Netherlands and Denmark, remained the four safest EU countries for road use (see Table 3) They are joined by Norway in having a level of road mortality lower than 40 deaths per million inhabitants. The UK, as well as Latvia, Spain, Portugal, Lithuania, Ireland, Slovenia, France, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary and Germany, have also achieved better-than-average yearly reductions in both road deaths and serious injuries"
Hmmm
OTBC said:
I haven't posted any links to the Mail or Brake, what are you talking about?
Who posted a link to a BRAKE page at 10:26b this morning then?OTBC said:
http://www.roadsafetyweek.org.uk/component/content...
These appalling figures show that we still have a long way to go in protecting our children’s safety on roads. In fact, the UK has the joint fourth worst child pedestrian death rate (per population) in Western Europe -seven times higher than Finland’s and three-and-a-half times higher than Holland and Italy. [5]
Children in the UK are at much greater risk from drivers than predators, it makes sense for the cops to target the real danger.
These appalling figures show that we still have a long way to go in protecting our children’s safety on roads. In fact, the UK has the joint fourth worst child pedestrian death rate (per population) in Western Europe -seven times higher than Finland’s and three-and-a-half times higher than Holland and Italy. [5]
Children in the UK are at much greater risk from drivers than predators, it makes sense for the cops to target the real danger.
jaf01uk said:
I'm not entirely sure you are reading your own stats very well, nowhere in that RAC Foundation report could I find what you are quoting above?
RAC Foundation said
"It is clear that the UK has underperformed on road death improvement in comparison with much of the rest of Europe.However, in absolute terms, the UK, along with Sweden, the Netherlands and Denmark, remained the four safest EU countries for road use (see Table 3) They are joined by Norway in having a level of road mortality lower than 40 deaths per million inhabitants. The UK, as well as Latvia, Spain, Portugal, Lithuania, Ireland, Slovenia, France, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary and Germany, have also achieved better-than-average yearly reductions in both road deaths and serious injuries"
Hmmm
Take another. More carefully. Then apologise.RAC Foundation said
"It is clear that the UK has underperformed on road death improvement in comparison with much of the rest of Europe.However, in absolute terms, the UK, along with Sweden, the Netherlands and Denmark, remained the four safest EU countries for road use (see Table 3) They are joined by Norway in having a level of road mortality lower than 40 deaths per million inhabitants. The UK, as well as Latvia, Spain, Portugal, Lithuania, Ireland, Slovenia, France, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary and Germany, have also achieved better-than-average yearly reductions in both road deaths and serious injuries"
Hmmm
OTBC said:
With finite resources, police forces take the stance that since children are in much greater danger from speeding drivers than paedophiles it's eminently sensible to target the real danger:
There are few reliable statistics on stranger danger and the increase in child molestation and abduction. It can be said with certainty though that the number of reported cases remained extremely small. A much greater threat to children's lives was road traffic accidents..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8399749.stm
The risk posed to children from paedophiles is miniscule, and unchanged in the last fifty years. The largest single cause of premature death among children globally is drivers, so it makes sense to target the real source of danger.
You seem to be doing your darnedest to divert every discussion on this problem. Do you work for a northern police force?There are few reliable statistics on stranger danger and the increase in child molestation and abduction. It can be said with certainty though that the number of reported cases remained extremely small. A much greater threat to children's lives was road traffic accidents..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8399749.stm
The risk posed to children from paedophiles is miniscule, and unchanged in the last fifty years. The largest single cause of premature death among children globally is drivers, so it makes sense to target the real source of danger.
OTBC said:
jaf01uk said:
I'm not entirely sure you are reading your own stats very well, nowhere in that RAC Foundation report could I find what you are quoting above?
RAC Foundation said
"It is clear that the UK has underperformed on road death improvement in comparison with much of the rest of Europe.However, in absolute terms, the UK, along with Sweden, the Netherlands and Denmark, remained the four safest EU countries for road use (see Table 3) They are joined by Norway in having a level of road mortality lower than 40 deaths per million inhabitants. The UK, as well as Latvia, Spain, Portugal, Lithuania, Ireland, Slovenia, France, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary and Germany, have also achieved better-than-average yearly reductions in both road deaths and serious injuries"
Hmmm
Take another. More carefully. Then apologise.RAC Foundation said
"It is clear that the UK has underperformed on road death improvement in comparison with much of the rest of Europe.However, in absolute terms, the UK, along with Sweden, the Netherlands and Denmark, remained the four safest EU countries for road use (see Table 3) They are joined by Norway in having a level of road mortality lower than 40 deaths per million inhabitants. The UK, as well as Latvia, Spain, Portugal, Lithuania, Ireland, Slovenia, France, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary and Germany, have also achieved better-than-average yearly reductions in both road deaths and serious injuries"
Hmmm
Seems fairly straightforward to me?
jaf01uk said:
That was from the link you posted, if your claiming thats wrong then I know you are a wind up merchant, you suggest I look up your evidence, up to you mate if you reckon i'm wrong to prove it, not me, "in absolute terms, the UK, along with Sweden, the Netherlands and Denmark, remained the four safest EU countries for road use
Seems fairly straightforward to me?
It is straightforward, and the document highlights what a fantastic success our road safety record is. Indeed it seems we're very good at protecting people from accidents of all types. What we're really not good at is health and well-being, (its been revealed today that 650 children have been reported missing in 2014 in Greater Manchester alone) so its such a shame that the nut-jobs keep demanding that resources are spent on road safety when the money could be used towards such larger achievements elsewhere. Seems fairly straightforward to me?
So despite the fact that the document highlights our success so clearly, OTBC only wants us to focus on the statement towards the bottom of the doc that says (as he quoted) " However, an analysis of the road safety management and plans of European countries ranks the UK within the bottom 25%".
No, I don't either. It goes in hand with his quoting of an 8 year old piece from Brake whilst denying that he's ever quoted BRAKE
.Meantime Dammit wants to keep saying the UK is the same as France. (No i don't know why either. I've no idea what its got to do with uk road safety).
But just for the record, France is a country with the same population size as the UK but 2.5 times more space, which means that the driving experience for the French is utterly different to ours (as anyone who drives over there frequently as I do will vouch). France is a country with greater extremes of climate, going from bitterly cold in the Alps with its glaciers etc to the baking heat of the central and southern regions and mediterranean coastline. An indicator of the climate is the fact that wine has been produced in France for millennia whereas it's only just begun to be produced in the UK in recent years.
France has terrific mountain ranges in the Alps and Pyrenees and as we know has the highest mountain in Europe. In contrast the highest 'mountains' in the UK are walked up and down by day-trippers when the weather is nice.
France has areas which has hundreds of hairpin bends but in britain you'd struggle to drive more than 3-4 hairpins in a day. Because a road in Wales has two hairpin bends it is known as The Devil's Staircase.
It just goes to show how difficult it is for these would-be bullies to use road safety as a conduit for their unpleasant personalities. Basically, they have to use deception to portray uk roads as unsafe. In terms of road safety (or harm) they are impotent and ineffective but sadly they do continue to campaign to have funds spent which would clearly save far more lives if spent elsewhere.
heebeegeetee said:
France has terrific mountain ranges in the Alps and Pyrenees and as we know has the highest mountain in Europe. In contrast the highest 'mountains' in the UK are walked up and down by day-trippers when the weather is nice.
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