SPEEDOS or PEDOs - Should officials face the rap?

[carinaman]

fatjon said:

Point well missed, the ones paying for it are the kids being fked up by paedos while the police are out tax collecting.

So at the police public engagement meetings in the areas where this has been going on has everybody just complained about 'motorists' speeding down their streets and parking on the pavements and nobody ever mentioned the sexual targeting of young girls?

Are there really no police minutes from such public engagement exercises when this problem was never raised?

[singlecoil]

fatjon said:

singlecoil said:

fatjon said:

"Their priorities are all wrong. There's no money to made from protecting kids from being raped is there?"

^ this

It's not about death rates, relative risks, outcomes or some greater good. It's about money.

If it is about money (which I don't for a moment concede) then the only people who have to pay it are the ones who are daft enough to speed here enforcement is operating.

Point well missed, the ones paying for it are the kids being fked up by paedos while the police are out tax collecting.

[carinaman]

The research being done in the early noughties, it mentioned a 2002 report by the Researcher involved with Risky Business, the youth counselling project that had their premises raided and documents removed, and how reports have gone missing at the Home Office was on Radio 4's PM programme around 17.30 so those interested can find it on iplayer.

Blunkett was Home Secretary at the time. The discussed the modified or watered down report summary from the research in 2002 with him. It said that things were improving. They weren't. That summary that things were being done and making things in Rotherham better wasn't correct.

That reminds me about comments made here or on the other thread that telling it how it is may undermine the good work being done now. We're told things are improving as that 2002 report summary said they were then. It also reminds me of Monkey Dust's New Truth sketch where bad things are downgraded in seriousness or reclassified as good things.

Edited by carinaman on Thursday 4th December 18:33

[carinaman]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshi...

I suppose some in the public sector that neglected their responsibilities in protecting children may yet see the inside of a courtroom?

I'm not sure how the backlash against Ched Evans and any football club that dare employ him compares to Dr Sonia Sharp walking into a job in Australia despite what went on over several years in Rotherham?:

https://rotherhampolitics.wordpress.com/2014/07/12...

Ched Evans isn't Common Purpose is he?

[carinaman]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-31130750

[carinaman]

We pass a camera at slightly over the speed limit we automatically get a NIP.

Why can't every police officer in SYP that was aware of this industrial sexual exploitation of children in Rotherham and did nothing to address it automatically get a written warning for dereliction of duty?

[Mr2Mike]

carinaman said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-31130750

Truly sickening and very upsetting to read this kind of stuff. Any parallels drawn with speeding does nothing but belittle the serious of these crimes.

[RobinOakapple]

carinaman said:

We pass a camera at slightly over the speed limit we automatically get a NIP.

Why can't every police officer in SYP that was aware of this industrial sexual exploitation of children in Rotherham and did nothing to address it automatically get a written warning for dereliction of duty?

They might have been told to look the other way. I don't know what else they could have done really, I expect the sex took place behind closed doors, they need to be able to see something actual illegal to be able to do anything about it, I think only a very few girls actually reported what happened, unless the victims coperate with the police then what can the police do?

[Foliage]

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-02-06/police-o...

Tried to find a story that got straight to the point and didn't persist in calling it a crash when in fact he was hit by a car while on foot.

[Rovinghawk]

RobinOakapple said:

They might have been told to look the other way.

"I was only obeying orders" isn't a particularly noble or effective defence.

RobinOakapple said:

I don't know what else they could have done really, I expect the sex took place behind closed doors, they need to be able to see something actual illegal to be able to do anything about it,

My understanding is that they need reasonable suspicion to start investigating/acting.

RobinOakapple said:

I think only a very few girls actually reported what happened,

How many do you think it needs before action should be taken?

[carinaman]

Not Rotherham, but perhaps things are starting to improve?:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-312...

That's good news in my book.

[RobinOakapple]

Rovinghawk said:

ow many do you think it needs before action should be taken?

Missing the point there, they can't take action in any one case until there's been a complaint or unless they see something illegal.

[Rovinghawk]

RobinOakapple said:

Missing the point there, they can't take action in any one case until there's been a complaint or unless they see something illegal.

1) In your own words, some girls reported what had happened, ie complained.

2) They don't have to see something, they have to have reasonable suspicion that it occurred.

It would seem that you're the one missing the point.

[carinaman]

The Home Office knew about what was going on in Rotherham over a decade ago.

Where were BRAKE! a decade ago?

I find it offensive that every death on the road is misappropriated to justify the war against the motorist or misused to promote an anti-speeding agenda while people in the public sector that promote road safety supposedly for the good of the greater community have been working with people that have covered up the industrial sexual exploitation of young girls.

'People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones....

The people that want to penalise me for my driving are the same people that have failed to address the grooming and rape of kids in Rotherham.


'Wont someone think of the children......

[RobinOakapple]

Rovinghawk said:

RobinOakapple said:

Missing the point there, they can't take action in any one case until there's been a complaint or unless they see something illegal.

1) In your own words, some girls reported what had happened, ie complained.

2) They don't have to see something, they have to have reasonable suspicion that it occurred.

It would seem that you're the one missing the point.

No, it's you.

Reasonable suspicion that an underage girl had had sex with somebody older than her? How would the policeman get that reasonable suspicion, seeing as he wasn't there watching it?

I think you are one of those people who after its all happened goes around shouting something should have been done, when it reality nothing could be done unless the victims themselves came forward and were prepared to give testimony in court.

We've heard that some of the girls went to the police but we don't know what was said, it might well have been something along the line of 'these blokes took me somewhere and gave me drugs and made me have sex' which would be pretty damning if they were prepared to name names pick people out of ID parades and testify in court. But as we know from domestic abuse cases, a lot of the time the complainant won't back up the complaint.

[carinaman]

IPCC investigation expanded. Not sure if it said 42 additional allegations or investigating 42 former and current South Yorks. Police officers over Child Sexual Abuse/Exploitation.

[Bigends]

RobinOakapple said:

Rovinghawk said:

RobinOakapple said:

Missing the point there, they can't take action in any one case until there's been a complaint or unless they see something illegal.

1) In your own words, some girls reported what had happened, ie complained.

2) They don't have to see something, they have to have reasonable suspicion that it occurred.

It would seem that you're the one missing the point.

No, it's you.

Reasonable suspicion that an underage girl had had sex with somebody older than her? How would the policeman get that reasonable suspicion, seeing as he wasn't there watching it?

I think you are one of those people who after its all happened goes around shouting something should have been done, when it reality nothing could be done unless the victims themselves came forward and were prepared to give testimony in court.

We've heard that some of the girls went to the police but we don't know what was said, it might well have been something along the line of 'these blokes took me somewhere and gave me drugs and made me have sex' which would be pretty damning if they were prepared to name names pick people out of ID parades and testify in court. But as we know from domestic abuse cases, a lot of the time the complainant won't back up the complaint.

These would (should) all be recorded now regardless of whether the details were fairly vague or the complainant wants to continue. All forces were guilty of gross under-recording of sexual offences until fairly recently

[RobinOakapple]

Bigends said:

hese would (should) all be recorded now regardless of whether the details were fairly vague or the complainant wants to continue. All forces were guilty of gross under-recording of sexual offences until fairly recently

Under-recording of allegations to be accurate.

[Bigends]

RobinOakapple said:

Bigends said:

hese would (should) all be recorded now regardless of whether the details were fairly vague or the complainant wants to continue. All forces were guilty of gross under-recording of sexual offences until fairly recently

Under-recording of allegations to be accurate.

Exactly

[carinaman]

Allegations ignored after Soham and the Bichard Inquiry.

Not taking evidence saves a whole of work and effort doesn't it?

http://www.communitycare.co.uk/2015/03/18/scale-ch...

So we need a new type of GATSO to take images of Paedos, and another new type of GATSO catching police officers not doing their job or adhering to the Constable's Oath that they pledged when they took the job?


We shouldn't be concerned as crime is down and it's not our kids getting screwed.