SPEEDOS or PEDOs - Should officials face the rap?

[singlecoil]

Laughable that on BBC News this lunchtime there was a parent complaining that the council had failed to stop his daughter being abused.

[robinessex]

7mike said:

robinessex said:

And I wouldn't mind betting that somewhere along the line, government fund cutting is a root cause of this.

No offence mate; but what a load of bks. This has been brushed under the carpet for many years before we had all those nasty Tory cuts to blame for everything.

Cuts don't help at all. If you find out things have gone wrong, suddenly having the rug pulled from under your feet certainly doesn't help you attend to the situation, how ever long it's been going on.

[singlecoil]

Purely as a matter of interest, how were the authorities supposed to stop this abuse? Locking the girls up? Telling them not to do it? Perhaps they could have assigned a policeman to each girl (it takes 4 shifts to provide 24 hour protection, more to cover holidays etc), and arrested anyone who tried to have sex with them?

There's an elephant in the room here.

[carinaman]

Cuts? Prof. Jay said all of the agencies knew about it in 2005 before the 'End of boom and bust' ended.

I am not sure where your elephant in the room is single coil?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-26388164

A police officer so disgusted about what was going on there went to the BBC in 2005.

https://www.facebook.com/BritishRevolutionOfficial...


You're making it about how do we protect young boys and girls being sexually predated? But some in the establishment or authorities that are supposed to be protecting the minors are the ones sexually penetrating minors and covering it up?

David Cameron said he wants to make it an offence not to report child abuse. Who do we report it to? Social Services? The police? Barnados? NSPCC? Childline?

Here's another one:

http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/Devon-police...

How would that police officer feel if her kids were fiddled with at Brownies or Scouts? I suppose she said the Constable's Oath when she took the job?

Many baby elephants are people within the police and social services that think the rules don't apply to them and/or above the law.

They couldn't say the widespread sexual exploitation of minors in Rotherham was race, cultural or hate crime for fear of upset or accusations of racism? How does that compare to the establishment covering up bad apples because dealing with them would make for bad press and tarnish the 'brand'?


Swerving dangerously close to risk being back on thread, that PC Sarah Cohen due in Court early next year allegedly told the teenage victims of sexual assualt not to go to the police, trying to get them not to press charges? So that same officer can stand at the side of the road in her high visibility jerkin holding a hair dryer or writing out VDRS forms or FPNs to people like you and I? I don't think so, do you sunshine?

Edited by carinaman on Thursday 28th August 15:37

[singlecoil]

carinaman said:

I am not sure where your elephant in the room is single coil?

I don't doubt it, carina man

[carinaman]

Martin4x4 said:

I want to know why they cannot they be charged with Misconduct in Public Office?

'Emma' also asked on Radio 4, why (these officials) cannot be charged with perverting the course of justice since they knew and deliberately covered things up.

I think a very good question.

They just read out a statement from the HO that PCCs can be removed if they've been charged with an offence that would attract sentence of more than 2 years.

I am sure it was '2 years' when reported yesterday. If attempting to pervert the course of justice can get a 2 year sentence, it may seem that's out of play as it's not 'more than 2 years'?

[anonymous-user]

Oh whoopee, singlecoil apparently blames the underage girls for being plied with drink, threatened and cajoled into sex, and so on. Are you just being contrarian as a stance, sc, or do you really blame immature young girls for falling victim to men taking advantage of them?

[Derek Smith]

Breadvan72 said:

Oh whoopee, singlecoil apparently blames the underage girls for being plied with drink, threatened and cajoled into sex, and so on. Are you just being contrarian as a stance, sc, or do you really blame immature young girls for falling victim to men taking advantage of them?

The 'elephant in the room' is blaming victims for the offences.

[carinaman]

Derek Smith said:

Breadvan72 said:

Oh whoopee, singlecoil apparently blames the underage girls for being plied with drink, threatened and cajoled into sex, and so on. Are you just being contrarian as a stance, sc, or do you really blame immature young girls for falling victim to men taking advantage of them?

The 'elephant in the room' is blaming victims for the offences.

Thanks Derek.

I'm just listening to the Radio 4 18.00 News, where it was reported that a Detective argued that a 12 year had consented to sex, even though law says that's not possible.

Blaming victims is part of the smearing as 'the best form of defense is offense'?

Having listened to the 'voiced by an actor' social worker on Radio 4, it could seem that Social Services didn't want to get involved as it would mess up their statistics and performance metrics? Perhaps that's also why the police didn't want to get involved? Besides the PC angle, what would it have done for their statistics and performance metrics?

It seems the stats and metrics are always there for the war against the motorist though. You've mentioned previously how you were tasked with getting traffic or accident information on a stretch of road to make a case for an agenda a senior officer wanted to push.

A Sergeant, that was ex-military once mooted that Chief Constable's Awards for officers that achieve 100 collars led to officers nicking people when it may not have been entirely appropriate or the best way of dealing with the offence. Perhaps such targets may be one way of cancelling out the temptation not to deal with crimes for fear of blotting the statistics copybooks?

Edited by carinaman on Thursday 28th August 18:37

[XCP]

I am surprised at the police reluctance to act. In my day they liked little better than banging up pervs.

[Bigends]

Sex, consensual or otherwise with an under 13yr old is rape.
Be interesting to see whether they'll be retrospectively recording all of the allegations

[carinaman]

XCP said:

I am surprised at the police reluctance to act. In my day they liked little better than banging up pervs.

Those days are long gone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE1CL0_bIfQ

It's amusing, but that green Vectra saloon is very well done.

[LucreLout]

La Liga said:

es, stop keeping that data from us. They should put it on the Home Office website so a 10 second Google search would find it. If they did, it may look something like this: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...

Mind of I reload before I fire one of into the other foot?

What that seems to show is that, for example, black people commit almost 3x the amount of crime per capita than other groups. Op Trident aside, why do the stop and search numbers not show them as being targeted by a similar over representation?

[Derek Smith]

XCP said:

I am surprised at the police reluctance to act. In my day they liked little better than banging up pervs.

Agreed. There's more to come on this I think.

The police were blamed initially for the missing files on Smith

[carinaman]

singlecoil, for the record there's a strong possibility I may have missed the point you could have been making.

[carinaman]

Derek Smith said:

XCP said:

I am surprised at the police reluctance to act. In my day they liked little better than banging up pervs.

Agreed. There's more to come on this I think.

The police were blamed initially for the missing files on Smith

Rotherham In the face of such evil who is the racist now by Allison Pearson Telegraph website 27 August 2014 said:

Equally horrifying is the suggestion that certain Pakistani councillors asked social workers to reveal the addresses of the shelters where some of the abused girls were hiding. The former deputy leader of the council, Jahangir Akhtar, is accused of “ignoring a politically inconvenient truth” by insisting there was not a deep-rooted problem of Pakistani-heritage perpetrators targeting young white girls. The inquiry was told that influential Pakistani councillors acted as “barriers to communication” on grooming issues.

from: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11059...

Councillors and local politics? Or darker forces?

[anonymous-user]

The evidence of neglect and gross incompetence and spinelessness is clear. The story is plenty dark enough. No need to hunt for Illuminati.

One source refers to a target culture and statistics mattering more than anything. That rings true based on my experience in a public inquiry.

[singlecoil]

Derek Smith said:

Breadvan72 said:

Oh whoopee, singlecoil apparently blames the underage girls for being plied with drink, threatened and cajoled into sex, and so on. Are you just being contrarian as a stance, sc, or do you really blame immature young girls for falling victim to men taking advantage of them?

The 'elephant in the room' is blaming victims for the offences.

Nope, the elephant in the room is the idea that teenage girls who are not from a strong family background can be prevented from doing whatever they want to do by anything other than locking them up.

[carinaman]

Breadvan72 said:

One source refers to a target culture and statistics mattering more than anything. That rings true based on my experience in a public inquiry.

Given stats, and chasing stats, how much store can we place in the comments that the problem had been turned around since 2010? I guess the inspections will unearth whether it was a real improvement or a paper one.

[Bigends]

Not done too well in their latest inspection

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/28/sou...