Speeding on M6 Toll - Need a Motoring Lawyer
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Many more years ago than i care to think about I was with 3 work colleages going to Bath for a meeting, the flight we were on from Glasgow to Heathrow was delayed.
We were going along the M4 near Swindon when we were pulled, we'd been clocked at 105mph.
The driver not only had to travel to and from the west coast of Scotland to go to court in Swindon, but he received a year ban, not sure about fine or points.
Obviously only time will tell what happens, but take the punishment you deserve for breaking the speed limit by 37mph, so was the speedo indicating, what 110-115 mph in your car?
We were going along the M4 near Swindon when we were pulled, we'd been clocked at 105mph.
The driver not only had to travel to and from the west coast of Scotland to go to court in Swindon, but he received a year ban, not sure about fine or points.
Obviously only time will tell what happens, but take the punishment you deserve for breaking the speed limit by 37mph, so was the speedo indicating, what 110-115 mph in your car?
Mgoliveruk said:
tuffer said:
Out of interest, what were the conditions like (day/night) and how did they catch you? M6 Toll is usually pretty quiet so I have tended to put my foot down thinking that I would probably spot someone tailing me.
Used that strech of motorway for years, and never had a problem...Was a Monday morning a couple of weeks back, M6 Toll northbound they had an officer on the overbridge operating a laser device. Seen at least 5 patrol cars (3 unmarked and 2 marked) in the period I was on the hard-shoulder being dealt by the police. Was mid morning, good visibility, dry, and light traffic....
I'm not sure why it seems to have a reputation for being unpoliced and used as some sort of pseudo-Autobahn stretch.
Phatboy317 said:
sherbertdip said:
Obviously only time will tell what happens, but take the punishment you deserve for breaking the speed limit by 37mph, so was the speedo indicating, what 110-115 mph in your car?
What punishment do you reckon the govt deserves for setting the speed limit too low?I also think that when it was set it was plenty fast enough.
So are you really saying how can every government since be "punished" for not raising it in line with the better safety features of cars?
The only real way of "punishing" a government is for there to be a military coup, exile the royal family, and put a dictator in, do you fancy that job?
I will add that 70mph is too low a limit, not that the police regard it as such anyway, what do you think the limit should be on a motorway, and i mean a real limit that breaking it will result in prosecution?
sherbertdip said:
I think you'll find that all MP's from the government that set the 70mph speed limit are dead, or just about there.
I also think that when it was set it was plenty fast enough.
So are you really saying how can every government since be "punished" for not raising it in line with the better safety features of cars?
The only real way of "punishing" a government is for there to be a military coup, exile the royal family, and put a dictator in, do you fancy that job?
I will add that 70mph is too low a limit, not that the police regard it as such anyway, what do you think the limit should be on a motorway, and i mean a real limit that breaking it will result in prosecution?
I believe that, as most drivers are capable of setting their own limits, the limits, if they're required at all, should be set either at above the speed which most drivers would choose to drive in the absence of limits, or lower in the case where road conditions are deceptive.I also think that when it was set it was plenty fast enough.
So are you really saying how can every government since be "punished" for not raising it in line with the better safety features of cars?
The only real way of "punishing" a government is for there to be a military coup, exile the royal family, and put a dictator in, do you fancy that job?
I will add that 70mph is too low a limit, not that the police regard it as such anyway, what do you think the limit should be on a motorway, and i mean a real limit that breaking it will result in prosecution?
At the end of the day, if it's 70 and you choose to do 100 +, tough s
t.
You can argue arbitrary limits till doomsday, personally I think 70 on motorways is a tad low, 80 which most of us do is fine, if the government choose to raise it to 120, you can bet your bottom dollar someone will get caught doing 135.
t. You can argue arbitrary limits till doomsday, personally I think 70 on motorways is a tad low, 80 which most of us do is fine, if the government choose to raise it to 120, you can bet your bottom dollar someone will get caught doing 135.
Mgoliveruk said:
Used that strech of motorway for years, and never had a problem...
You've been mega lucky until now then - I use it quite a bit and it's rare I make a trip and don't see someone stopped on the hard-shoulder by an unmarked car. Always used to be Volvo S60's but I've seen a variety of cars of late.Phatboy317 said:
I believe that, as most drivers are capable of setting their own limits, the limits, if they're required at all, should be set either at above the speed which most drivers would choose to drive in the absence of limits, or lower in the case where road conditions are deceptive.
Disagree. There are many absolutely awful drivers out there who have no idea about what is a sensible limit for either road or weather conditions and that's before you throw in the odd foreign trucker who can't tear himself away from his dvd. 70 is undoubtedly too low a limit for today's modern cars, as is 50 and 60 on a lot of rural roads.
However time and time again motorists prove that they are incapable of changing their behaviour and driving to conditions which means as far as the government is concerned they legislate for the lowest common denominator.
There needs to be a major improvement in car and truck driving standards before drivers can be left to their own devises.
I have seen loads of people pulled on the M6 toll. I am always amazed by the speed at which people approach the toll plaza, despite the 50mph limit.
As others have said people treat it as a pseudo autobahn and the police know that.
Its not even fun to do those speeds on that road, its just as boring as doing it at 80. The fun bits are:
1. Grabbing your toll receipt before it blows away
2. Grand prix style start away from the toll plaza.
As others have said people treat it as a pseudo autobahn and the police know that.
Its not even fun to do those speeds on that road, its just as boring as doing it at 80. The fun bits are:
1. Grabbing your toll receipt before it blows away
2. Grand prix style start away from the toll plaza.
^^^^THIS^^^^^^
My dad was a plod driving instructor and IAM instructor, when he was teaching me how to drive according to Roadcraft after I had passed my test, I especially remember one thing he said, I'm paraphrasing of course.
" A semi trained monkey can drive a car very fast in a straight line on an empty road, but only a person with intelligence, training and skill knows what to do when there is a monkey driving a car or something goes wrong or there's a bend, there are many more monkeys of various levels of training than the latter, that's why we have speed limits"
My dad was a plod driving instructor and IAM instructor, when he was teaching me how to drive according to Roadcraft after I had passed my test, I especially remember one thing he said, I'm paraphrasing of course.
" A semi trained monkey can drive a car very fast in a straight line on an empty road, but only a person with intelligence, training and skill knows what to do when there is a monkey driving a car or something goes wrong or there's a bend, there are many more monkeys of various levels of training than the latter, that's why we have speed limits"
Bear in mind it's a panel of 3 magistrates who are probably decent people who chose to become magistrates to help make the world a bit better.
They spend most their days in car court dealing with chavs with no insurance or racing who show up to court in tracksuits and backwards caps.
My advice, wear a suit, be polite, don't make up bullst excuses.
Chances are you'll get the lower end of the punishment spectrum.
Consider whether a short ban would be better than 6 points - they may ask you.
They asked me a long time ago, and ultimately I found the 1 week ban better than 6 points.
They spend most their days in car court dealing with chavs with no insurance or racing who show up to court in tracksuits and backwards caps.
My advice, wear a suit, be polite, don't make up bulls
t excuses.Chances are you'll get the lower end of the punishment spectrum.
Consider whether a short ban would be better than 6 points - they may ask you.
They asked me a long time ago, and ultimately I found the 1 week ban better than 6 points.
AB said:
I used BB Law when I got caught on the M6.
Convinced it was the difference between losing license and job and the 6 points I received.
I was going slightly faster...
Take a look at the sentencing guidelines, you may be surprised.Convinced it was the difference between losing license and job and the 6 points I received.
I was going slightly faster...
If you plead guilty I don't really see what a lawyer can do apart from try to plead for a 'better' punishment.
Breadvan72 said:
Whilst the art of the advocate is, I think, somewhat overrated, a skilled plea in mitigation may make a difference to a sentence.
I get the distinct impression that there isn't any mitigation other than a lightly trafficked clear road and a heavy right foot. And maybe points on his licence already, but that's just a guess.
Breadvan72 said:
glasgowrob said:
get yourself over to somewhere like pepipoo or find someone on here that can give a decent recommendation for a specialist road traffic lawyer,
your looking at a ban somewhere between 7 to 56 days I would imagine or if your lucky 6 points depends on the circumstances the magistrate police reports etc etc etc
get a good lawyer
Love it! Bloke starts thread asking for a good lawyer. Other bloke advises OP to ask about getting a good lawyer. Hmmmm, let me see now.... I know, how about he starts a thread asking for a good lawyer?your looking at a ban somewhere between 7 to 56 days I would imagine or if your lucky 6 points depends on the circumstances the magistrate police reports etc etc etc
get a good lawyer
OP, contact agtlaw of this parish.
BV - in fairness the times of the two posts are close
As for the M6Toll - because it's relatively quiet it's easy to follow cars at a distance. I got lucky once as I spotted an unmarked car with a suspicious camera on the rear window as I joined southbound. Backed off and watched another car belt past. Unmarked copper followed a long way back (maybe 400m) and pulled the speeder at the toll booth. Lesson learnt for both of us. It's not worth doing a 100 or more on there because it is easy pickings.
emmaT2014 said:
Maybe if they use a little resource on seldom occasions then the word will get out that there is a risk of being detected and dealt with on that road.
Perhaps this very thread is a positive contribution to that.
Good use of a scant and expensive resource by the Midlands Motorway Patrol Group IMHO!
what is the accident rate associated with driving a well maintained vehicle above the limit in good conditions on that bit of road? Perhaps this very thread is a positive contribution to that.
Good use of a scant and expensive resource by the Midlands Motorway Patrol Group IMHO!
Nope?
Thought so (its vvvvvvvvvv low isn't it?)
Therefore go and do some actual good somewhere else with those resources.
Davidonly said:
emmaT2014 said:
Maybe if they use a little resource on seldom occasions then the word will get out that there is a risk of being detected and dealt with on that road.
Perhaps this very thread is a positive contribution to that.
Good use of a scant and expensive resource by the Midlands Motorway Patrol Group IMHO!
what is the accident rate associated with driving a well maintained vehicle above the limit in good conditions on that bit of road? Perhaps this very thread is a positive contribution to that.
Good use of a scant and expensive resource by the Midlands Motorway Patrol Group IMHO!
Nope?
Thought so (its vvvvvvvvvv low isn't it?)
Therefore go and do some actual good somewhere else with those resources.
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