One for BV72 - court dress?
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hidetheelephants said:
gshughes said:
SteveC72 said:
I can remember a Scottish television advert from the late eighties that was broadcast in the middle of the night. It was a criminal defence solicitor advertising his services and he arrived on-screen with lots of smoke behind him riding a cruiser style motorbike wearing full leathers.
Can't remember the guys name, but as teenagers we all thought it was really cool and we imagined that that's how he would arrive at court.
I remember that too! Sadly I don't think it was Donald Findlay QC, the pipe, deerstalker and mutton chops would have set off the bike and leathers perfectly. Can't remember the guys name, but as teenagers we all thought it was really cool and we imagined that that's how he would arrive at court.
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/a-...
mph1977 said:
I can only think of three places where Order of St John medals should be worn
1. on SJA formal uniform if you are member of SJA
2. tacked on to the rest of your rack, as is allowed as a British Order of Chivalry, if you have medals from Military service / stat emergency services service / have got an OBE or better ...
3. in miniature form on black tie / white tie as miniatures are always a good conversation starter as formal event
1. on SJA formal uniform if you are member of SJA
2. tacked on to the rest of your rack, as is allowed as a British Order of Chivalry, if you have medals from Military service / stat emergency services service / have got an OBE or better ...
3. in miniature form on black tie / white tie as miniatures are always a good conversation starter as formal event
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-28979459 said:
However, St John in Wales said Lord Harley is not a member of the Order of St John and it had contacted the police over the issue.
Chief executive Keith Dunn said: "He is not entitled to say that he is a Knight of the Order of St John and the dignities that appertain to membership.
"We have asked the chief constable for South Wales Police to investigate this matter and St John will be taking legal action if necessary."
Chief executive Keith Dunn said: "He is not entitled to say that he is a Knight of the Order of St John and the dignities that appertain to membership.
"We have asked the chief constable for South Wales Police to investigate this matter and St John will be taking legal action if necessary."
kowalski655 said:
The beeb report quoted above says they have involved the cops! What a waste of police time FFS!
Mind you if it was S Yorkshire,they would send 10 men,and a media chopper
the Order of St John is a British Order of chivalry, HM the Queen is Soveriegn head of the Order Mind you if it was S Yorkshire,they would send 10 men,and a media chopper
Wearing SJA or OSJ medals to which you are not entitled is the same as wearing Military medals or orders of chivalry to which one is not entitled , the principal difference is that for the Service Medal of the Order and for the Serving Brother/ Serving Sister / Memeber of the Order gongs there are plenty in circulation ( much the same as other long service and good conduct gongs.
Unfortunately the wearign of fake or none entitled Chivalric awards is pretty good combat indicator to being a knob and possibly a Walter Mitty - while these guy is not a Walt of the Magnitude of the Baron CastleShortt ...
kowalski655 said:
Couldn't agree more about him being a complete & utter knob,but is wearing medals you're not entitled to an actual criminal offence? Seems bloody weird if it were
there are various estoric bits and pieces of legislation dating fro mthe C18th through to the 1930s covering uniforms, medals orders ochivalry ... it does not reflect well on 'an Officer of the the Court' as i was once sniffily told that all lawyers etc are to be wearing illegitimate decorations and to be wearign them when custom and practice says decorations are not to be worn ...
as I said previously there are various situations where the wearing of medals and orders is permitted and other situations hwere organisational policy dictates that ribbons or a badge representing the ribbon etc we worn on uniforms and workwear ...
kowalski655 said:
Couldn't agree more about him being a complete & utter knob,but is wearing medals you're not entitled to an actual criminal offence? Seems bloody weird if it were
It is in the USA and they go absolutely apes
t over this sort of thing, Stolen Valor Act I believe it's called.kowalski655 said:
Couldn't agree more about him being a complete & utter knob,but is wearing medals you're not entitled to an actual criminal offence? Seems bloody weird if it were
It used to be an offence - I think it was under the Army Act. However the legislation has been repealed. IANAL but I'm pretty sure I'm right..........sort of "bloke in a pub who knows a bit but could be wrong..."
Dr Sir Lord Blacker of Harley has, to quote the Law Society Gazette, "hit back" at the judge who ticked him off.....
http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/practice/solicitor-adv...
http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/practice/solicitor-adv...
Lurking Lawyer said:
Dr Sir Lord Blacker of Harley has, to quote the Law Society Gazette, "hit back" at the judge who ticked him off.....
http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/practice/solicitor-adv...
That article is dated 29 August. The comments have disappeared since it was published, but you can see them on a cached version: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cac...http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/practice/solicitor-adv...
ETA: you need to go a through pages through which won't work with the page turning link. Here's page 5 where somebody anonymous is rather suspiciously sticking up for Lord Harley: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cac...
Edited by Jobbo on Wednesday 3rd September 14:32
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