Recording Police actions
Discussion
Mk3Spitfire said:
Bigends said:
So, having established name address - docs etc you'll decide whether or not to let them go!!
Hmmm definitely wont be getting into one if thats the case across the board then.
???Hmmm definitely wont be getting into one if thats the case across the board then.
If they've committed an arrestable offence, and I need to obtain evidence by questioning, and the suspect subsequently refuses to cooperate, I still need to obtain that evidence. So yes, I would potentially arrest. What's the issue with that?
Bigends said:
Obviously then yes when youve nicked them. Then its off to custody. I'm on about a simple traffic stop for speed etc, when having given name/address and docs have been verified I then decide I want to go and you can summonse me - will you let me out of yourcar straight away?
Don't listen to him mate. Most likely would gas you, bum you and then plant a load of class a drugs on you. What started with a minor bit of speeding ends up with burning eyes a sore bottom and a long prison sentence if you get into his car. Bigends said:
So, having established name address - docs etc you'll decide whether or not to let them go even when theyre not under arrest
Hmmm definitely wont be getting into one if thats the case across the board then.
When would you need to arrest in order to complete an interview?
Hmmm definitely wont be getting into one if thats the case across the board then.
When would you need to arrest in order to complete an interview?
Edited by Bigends on Saturday 30th August 13:44
Bigends said:
Hmmm definitely wont be getting into one if thats the case across the board then.
For someone who has supposedly spent 30 years in the job, you come out with some bizarre statements. Surely you are fully conversant with all the legalities surrounding this issue. Mk3Spitfire said:
As long as there was no need to obtain further evidence by questioning, of course.
Think I wont be getting into any cars until nicked if the officers going to pick and choose when to let me go.I'll happily crouch and speak by the open passenger window then leave when i'm ready, obviously asking if its okay and theyve got enough detail to process me.
Bigends said:
Think I wont be getting into any cars until nicked if the officers going to pick and choose when to let me go.
I'll happily crouch and speak by the open passenger window then leave when i'm ready, obviously asking if its okay and theyve got enough detail to process me.
Just offer to let them sit in the back of your car! Make sure the child locks are on and only let then leave when you are happy that you fully understand your point of view! I'll happily crouch and speak by the open passenger window then leave when i'm ready, obviously asking if its okay and theyve got enough detail to process me.
Edit - if you ever manage to get a young police officer to fall for this then please do turn your dash cam around and record it.
Elroy Blue said:
If you get in my car, you don't need to get your phone out. I always switch the internal camera on and everything is recorded/filmed. I don't tell people their being recorded, but the big screen with them on it should give it away. Despite that, people still lie about what was said/done. Always nice to pop the DVD in and show the interaction.
I had four 'fine, upstanding members of the community' make a serious complaint about me. They included a solicitor, a councillor and a vet. Without going into circumstances, they didn't get their own way at an incident and a couple of days later, I'm served with forms detailing things I'm supposed to have done. I mean, such educated people wouldn't lie would they?
Fortunately, someone HAD filmed the incident, which showed they lied through their teeth.
With things like that, do they get charged with anything? Wasting time / attempted PCoJ (don't know if that even exists but you see what I mean!)?I had four 'fine, upstanding members of the community' make a serious complaint about me. They included a solicitor, a councillor and a vet. Without going into circumstances, they didn't get their own way at an incident and a couple of days later, I'm served with forms detailing things I'm supposed to have done. I mean, such educated people wouldn't lie would they?
Fortunately, someone HAD filmed the incident, which showed they lied through their teeth.
Same as false rape allegations etc.
If not, why not?
Mk3Spitfire said:
Elroy Blue said:
For someone who has supposedly spent 30 years in the job, you come out with some bizarre statements. Surely you are fully conversant with all the legalities surrounding this issue.
This.Just wondered about this from the current crop of Police programmes when cops invite drivers into their cars. Just wondered what would happen if they said- 'youve got my details-can I go now.
What are these additional legalities then.
We always processed drivers at the roadside unless it was pissing down and we couldnt write the forms out
But you're not reading the answers to your questions.
Assuming all the evidence and details required for a summons were present then fine. If however I still need to ask you questions and you decide you e had enough and want to go, we're going to have issues. At this point I may decide to arrest you.
Any offence can warrant an arrest if the necessity is there, and one of the necessities for arrest is to obtain evidence by questioning. So if it's not possible to do that questioning voluntarily, then an arrest will be justified.
Assuming all the evidence and details required for a summons were present then fine. If however I still need to ask you questions and you decide you e had enough and want to go, we're going to have issues. At this point I may decide to arrest you.
Any offence can warrant an arrest if the necessity is there, and one of the necessities for arrest is to obtain evidence by questioning. So if it's not possible to do that questioning voluntarily, then an arrest will be justified.
Bigends said:
For a simple traffic stop, once youve got enough detail with which to summons me - thats all you need - or have things changed. You surely cant detain someone in a locked car without some grounds or arresting them can you?
Just wondered about this from the current crop of Police programmes when cops invite drivers into their cars. Just wondered what would happen if they said- 'youve got my details-can I go now.
What are these additional legalities then.
We always processed drivers at the roadside unless it was pissing down and we couldnt write the forms out
If you've been in the job, you'd already know the answers to all these questions and wouldn't need to 'wonder what would happen'. Why are you trying to make it all sound so sinister. Just wondered about this from the current crop of Police programmes when cops invite drivers into their cars. Just wondered what would happen if they said- 'youve got my details-can I go now.
What are these additional legalities then.
We always processed drivers at the roadside unless it was pissing down and we couldnt write the forms out
Taita said:
With things like that, do they get charged with anything? Wasting time / attempted PCoJ (don't know if that even exists but you see what I mean!)?
Same as false rape allegations etc.
If not, why not?
If not, why not indeed.Same as false rape allegations etc.
If not, why not?
A false complaint that could have cost me my job (at the very least) was just thrown in a filing cabinet and they walked away. Happens all the time. PSD don't get a tick in the box for pursuing malicious complaints.
Elroy Blue said:
If not, why not indeed.
A false complaint that could have cost me my job (at the very least) was just thrown in a filing cabinet and they walked away. Happens all the time. PSD don't get a tick in the box for pursuing malicious complaints.
It wouldn't really improve the publics perception of the police would it...A false complaint that could have cost me my job (at the very least) was just thrown in a filing cabinet and they walked away. Happens all the time. PSD don't get a tick in the box for pursuing malicious complaints.
Man who made a complaint of being assaulted by a police officer has been arrested and charged with wasting police time.
Mk3Spitfire said:
But you're not reading the answers to your questions.
Assuming all the evidence and details required for a summons were present then fine. If however I still need to ask you questions and you decide you e had enough and want to go, we're going to have issues. At this point I may decide to arrest you.
Any offence can warrant an arrest if the necessity is there, and one of the necessities for arrest is to obtain evidence by questioning. So if it's not possible to do that questioning voluntarily, then an arrest will be justified.
Heres my example-you stop me for speed for example. I dont get in your car and we deal at the roadside. You verify my details. There are no markers on my car and I have a valid licence insurance and mot. You pointthe offence out - i Give a response and then ask I I can go s I'm opting for a court appearance and dont want a ticket. You report me, I hop in my car and go. Nice simple stop and process.Assuming all the evidence and details required for a summons were present then fine. If however I still need to ask you questions and you decide you e had enough and want to go, we're going to have issues. At this point I may decide to arrest you.
Any offence can warrant an arrest if the necessity is there, and one of the necessities for arrest is to obtain evidence by questioning. So if it's not possible to do that questioning voluntarily, then an arrest will be justified.
Say i'm now locked in your car, same scenario as above-everything in order you point the offence out. I opt for summons ans ask if I can go and try and get out to find the door wont open - will you let me straight out as I dont want to sit through your lecture on the danger of speed etc or to discuss the matter any further - thats all I was asking initially - and wasnt complicating it with necessity for arrest ( you could arrest me for speeding?? - )or other issues
photosnob said:
It wouldn't really improve the publics perception of the police would it...
Man who made a complaint of being assaulted by a police officer has been arrested and charged with wasting police time.
When it's a proven malicious complaint, with video evidence (and a very serious complaint at that), then yes, they should be dealt with. It's not 'wasting Police time'. It's making an allegation that could at least cost somebody their livelihood, at worst put them in prison. And malicious complaints are a very regular thing in todays compensation culture.Man who made a complaint of being assaulted by a police officer has been arrested and charged with wasting police time.
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