Recording Police actions

[Bigends]

Mk3Spitfire said:

I am seriously starting to question your claim to having been an operational police officer.
Like I said...if I've got all the information I need, then I've got no reason to keep you in the back of my car. Of course there's no power to keep someone there to listen to my "lecture".

Thanks - thats exactly what I asked initially (read the question) - didnt need to muddy the waters with unless I have other grounds etc etc
You do get impatient very quickly -dont you?

Thanks

[Elroy Blue]

Fortunately, 99.99999% of people are not like 'retired Police Officer' Bigends. They are more than happy to sit in a Police car, exchange pleasantries and discuss their day. Some get quite excited about seeing the kit, even if they are in there due to committing an offence.

[Mk3Spitfire]

Bigends said:

Thanks - thats exactly what I asked initially (read the question) - didnt need to muddy the waters with unless I have other grounds etc etc
You do get impatient very quickly -dont you?

Thanks

You're welcome.

Not really.

You're welcome.

[Taita]

Elroy Blue said:

When it's a proven malicious complaint, with video evidence (and a very serious complaint at that), then yes, they should be dealt with. It's not 'wasting Police time'. It's making an allegation that could at least cost somebody their livelihood, at worst put them in prison. And malicious complaints are a very regular thing in todays compensation culture.

In a weird way, could you (or another bobby) not just arrest them for it? Pass all the evidence to CPS and bish bosh?

[Elroy Blue]

Taita said:

In a weird way, could you (or another bobby) not just arrest them for it? Pass all the evidence to CPS and bish bosh?

I wish. But that's PSDs job. Unfortunately, it's a job their not interested in doing.

[Bigends]

Elroy Blue said:

Fortunately, 99.99999% of people are not like 'retired Police Officer' Bigends. They are more than happy to sit in a Police car, exchange pleasantries and discuss their day. Some get quite excited about seeing the kit, even if they are in there due to committing an offence.

Most only get in because they think they have to, wouldnt you agree? 'Just hop in my car for a minute while we sort this out' not realising theyre locked in

[Elroy Blue]

Bigends said:

Most only get in because they think they have to, wouldnt you agree? 'Just hop in my car for a minute while we sort this out' not realising theyre locked in

And most don't give a toss. But you'd already know that wouldn't you after 30 years in the job.

[Taita]

Elroy Blue said:

I wish. But that's PSDs job. Unfortunately, it's a job their not interested in doing.

At what point does it become PSD? It is because its against a bobby?

[Elroy Blue]

Taita said:

At what point does it become PSD? It is because its against a bobby?

If a serious complaint is made, it is dealt with by PSD.

[photosnob]

Elroy Blue said:

When it's a proven malicious complaint, with video evidence (and a very serious complaint at that), then yes, they should be dealt with. It's not 'wasting Police time'. It's making an allegation that could at least cost somebody their livelihood, at worst put them in prison. And malicious complaints are a very regular thing in todays compensation culture.

I actually agree with you. However it's unlikely to happen in the current climate in all but the most extreme and serious of cases. No different to how some women are not prosecuted when they say they have been hit by their partner to get him out of the house, or women who lie about rape (rare I know). It's just not going to happen in all but the rarest of cases. Indeed I'd guess someone would have to sit down and admit in great detail what they have done before they would dream of running with it. It's not fair, but that's life.

[Red 4]

Elroy Blue said:

I wish. But that's PSDs job. Unfortunately, it's a job their not interested in doing.

Pedant mode on - They're (they are) - Pedant mode off.

I'll put it down to all this talk of PSD getting you flustered.

[Red 4]

photosnob said:

I actually agree with you. However it's unlikely to happen in the current climate in all but the most extreme and serious of cases. No different to how some women are not prosecuted when they say they have been hit by their partner to get him out of the house, or women who lie about rape (rare I know). It's just not going to happen in all but the rarest of cases. Indeed I'd guess someone would have to sit down and admit in great detail what they have done before they would dream of running with it. It's not fair, but that's life.

It's defamation.

If more people were dealt with for proven malicious complaints there would be less - people would think twice.

Unfortunately, as you say, it rarely happens, which is wrong in my opinion.

[Bigends]

Elroy Blue said:

Bigends said:

Most only get in because they think they have to, wouldnt you agree? 'Just hop in my car for a minute while we sort this out' not realising theyre locked in

And most don't give a toss. But you'd already know that wouldn't you after 30 years in the job.

41 yrs on Sept 3rd actually.
Force DDM now - any questions - dont hesitate to ask

[Elroy Blue]

Bigends said:

41 yrs on Sept 3rd actually.
Force DDM now - any questions - dont hesitate to ask

I prefer to direct my questions towards people who seem to know what they're talking about thanks.

[Red 4]

Bigends said:

41 yrs on Sept 3rd actually.
Force DDM now - any questions - dont hesitate to ask

You wear that like a badge of honour.

Most people these days run for the hills and never look back.

Each to their own I suppose.

[Elroy Blue]

Red 4 said:

Pedant mode on - They're (they are) - Pedant mode off.

I'll put it down to all this talk of PSD getting you flustered.

Well spotted. A real pet hate of mine. It's more down to night shifts than talking about PSD.

[anonymous-user]

Elroy Blue said:

And most don't give a toss. But you'd already know that wouldn't you after 30 years in the job.

Indeed. And if someone asks to get out, or tries to get out and can't and then asks, then you let them out unless there's a necessity to arrest. It's not really that complicated or a practical issue.

[Bigends]

Red 4 said:

Bigends said:

41 yrs on Sept 3rd actually.
Force DDM now - any questions - dont hesitate to ask

You wear that like a badge of honour.

Most people these days run for the hills and never look back.

Each to their own I suppose.

Not really - retired at 49 - had to do something - pensions not enough to live on - there was a job on the go so I applied and worked my way up to my current position= just trying to show I'm not totally brainless in respect of Policing matters or I wouldnt be doing what i'm doing now.( and how easily some of you are wound up) As you may have gathered i'm not a great fan of the way Policings gone over the past few years - my current role allows me to put a stop to some of the dodgy crime management practices which have gone over the years in relation to recording classification and detecting etc as recently highlighted by HMIC
Weve got retired cops queuing at the door trying to get back in - theres very little going outside. Weve just taken 12 on through an agency. My comment above WAS tongue firmly in cheek. All cops here retired or otherwise have experience and views to offer - just some dont seem to like being questioned

Edited by Bigends on Saturday 30th August 15:15

[TheAllSeeingPie]

Bigends said:

As you may have gathered i'm not a great fan of the way Policings gone over the past few years

Unfortunately opinions of Policing created either by antagonistic liberal hippy Guardian readers or hate-stirring Daily Mail readers seem to have culminated in a crazy idea that Policing has gone downhill. This year I've had my house burgled, car stolen, car written off in a non-stop RTC and been violently assaulted (4 separate incidents) and every time the one thing that has made the entire saga even remotely bearable has been the professionalism of the Police and other emergency services involved. I've had similar incidents in the past and always been left with a bitter taste, but something has radically changed over the last few years.

As for whether the child locks are one, well I for one think that's a good idea. I would imagine the one incident where someone steps out of a police car and gets hit by passing traffic will enforce the child lock principle into law, but until then it seems like a relatively good idea.

[anonymous-user]

Bigends said:

my current role allows me to put a stop to some of the dodgy crime management practices which have gone over the years in relation to recording classification and detecting etc as recently highlighted by HMIC

The system which creates internal conflict and inefficiency as boring people argue over "the balance of probabilities" and a few words taken down by a call handler. I wonder how much time and money has been wasted with NCRS and NSIR battles.

"What gets measured gets managed" - exactly what the state deserved when it made simple quantifiable data, in which external factors are the primary driver, the be all and end all of policing performance with crap like PPATH and APACS for political convenience.