Two Licenses

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George 500

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647 posts

218 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Before I start I have not yet done anything nefarious and this is a question about the technical aspects rather than the ethical ones but out of curiosity...

I have two licenses as a result of living in China and wanting to drive there. So how does this work with UK speeding?

I have just been docked for toddling along at 70 in a 60 in a hire car which irritatingly takes me back up to 6 points and I was just wondering what would have happened if I rented using my Chinese license?

Given I cannot get UK points on a Chinese license dos this mean I could wriggle out with just a fine? There is certainly no link between the two...

Could one even drive one's own car and state a valid foreign countries license if one was pinged?


NoNeed

15,137 posts

200 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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It is you that gets the points not your licence so if at a later date you go to court for something else and a copper does the usual few checks you could end up facing a perverting the course of justice charge which will mean a prison sentence.

caziques

2,571 posts

168 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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You can, of course, hire a car with any licence the hirer will accept.

I have two licences, a UK one that is valid until 2027, and an NZ one (where I now live).

I use my UK licence everywhere except UK and NZ. For hiring a car in the UK I would use my NZ one as that is where I live.

The question to address would be if any "fines" ended up at an overseas address, do you bother replying?

The Australian Police once tracked me down to NZ after I had used my UK licence to hire a car in Brisbane. Filed in the bin, been back since with no issues.

Perhaps it depends where you are domiciled.

Pat Cash

312 posts

230 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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I have the same - a UK licence and a Chinese licence... I seem to remember reading on the DVLA website that you're supposed to surrender your UK licence after 12 months (or was it 3 years?) of being resident outside of the UK.
So I guess that your UK licence could technically be invalid anyhow?

George 500

Original Poster:

647 posts

218 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Pat Cash said:
I have the same - a UK licence and a Chinese licence... I seem to remember reading on the DVLA website that you're supposed to surrender your UK licence after 12 months (or was it 3 years?) of being resident outside of the UK.
So I guess that your UK licence could technically be invalid anyhow?
Think that is very technically though isn't it? One assumes that if one ever returned one would have to retake a UK license then? To use a Chinese phrase- mega mafan!

73mark

774 posts

127 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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I know if you have no uk license. The police will create a ghost license linked to you,which will hold all the points you acuminate in the uk.

George 500

Original Poster:

647 posts

218 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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How would they link them?

The advantage of a Chinese license is that it uses my Chinese name- once you take the English name, translate it to something similar in Chinese characters and then translate back into the roman alphabet it is subtly different

littleredrooster

5,537 posts

196 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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73mark said:
I know if you have no uk license.
You do? That's clever!

Pat Cash

312 posts

230 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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George 500 said:
Think that is very technically though isn't it? One assumes that if one ever returned one would have to retake a UK license then? To use a Chinese phrase- mega mafan!
Definitely mega mafan...

But if thems the rules, then with the Government Gateway and their combined database information access, it would be pretty easy to identify, for example, someone who holds a valid UK Licence but has registered as non-resident in the UK with the tax man. whistle

Again in theory, could lead to some awkward questions when a licence check was done. cop

SS2.

14,461 posts

238 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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kapiteinlangzaam said:
The rules are a mess (as usual).

I am British with a UK driving licence, but am resident in another EU country (and have been for nearly 7 years). According to the UK rules I should have surrendered my UK licence after 12m and got a 'local' one, problem is that here (due to other tax reasons) I am not allowed to be registered as a normal resident and therefore cant obtain a local driving licence.
Are you sure about that ?

According to GB rules, and as a GB resident, you can drive here on any EU / EEA issued licence until your 70th birthday or for 3 years, whichever is the longer. AIUI, the same applies to all countries within the EU / EEA.

trashbat

6,006 posts

153 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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I might be wrong, but I think it's illegal for a 'UK resident' to drive a foreign plated car in the UK. Are you more or less of a UK resident if you have a UK driving licence and no foreign one?

tenpenceshort

32,880 posts

217 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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trashbat said:
I might be wrong, but I think it's illegal for a 'UK resident' to drive a foreign plated car in the UK. Are you more or less of a UK resident if you have a UK driving licence and no foreign one?
You are wrong.

trashbat

6,006 posts

153 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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tenpenceshort said:
You are wrong.
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/faq/holiday-home-cars/

I've no idea where to look for actual legislation, and besides, my interest doesn't run that deep.

tenpenceshort

32,880 posts

217 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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trashbat said:
tenpenceshort said:
You are wrong.
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/faq/holiday-home-cars/

I've no idea where to look for actual legislation, and besides, my interest doesn't run that deep.
You said that you think it is illegal for a UK driver to drive a foreign registered car in the UK. That isn't the case.

Your link above is to do with registering a vehicle (for example, living in the UK and registering a UK vehicle to France), not driving it. The language relating to driving in the article is poor use of language and is misleading.

From memory, though it may have changed since, you must register a foreign vehicle in the UK once it has been here for 12 months.

trashbat

6,006 posts

153 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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tenpenceshort said:
Your link above is to do with registering a vehicle (for example, living in the UK and registering a UK vehicle to France), not driving it. The language relating to driving in the article is poor use of language and is misleading.
The article is ostensibly about that but is mostly concerned with what UK residents can drive here. However it also suggests that the stuff described in this thread (i.e. working in the EU) is a workable exception.

From what I can gather, but again no law, you would be on shaky ground if you did actually live here. https://www.gov.uk/importing-vehicles-into-the-uk/...

tenpenceshort

32,880 posts

217 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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For clarity, by 'drive', do you mean the act of driving, or do you really mean 'keep'?

trashbat

6,006 posts

153 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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Use, which I take to mean drive.

tenpenceshort

32,880 posts

217 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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trashbat said:
Use, which I take to mean drive.
Oh, in which case it's nonsense. There are many, many thousands of people who live and work in the EU, hold UK licences, and drive their EU registered cars in the UK. They are doing nothing illegal.

tenpenceshort

32,880 posts

217 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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kapiteinlangzaam said:
Yes, but they are not UK resident and not UK tax domiciled if they are living elsewhere.
It's irrelevant to the issue of whether a UK resident can legally drive a foreign registered car in the UK with a UK licence. Of course they can!

Of course, you could always point out the legislation that makes it illegal, if you believe otherwise.

trashbat

6,006 posts

153 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/vehicles/regi...

and the directive behind it:

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri...

EU said:
A tax exemption is granted if three conditions are satisfied. First, the individual importing the means of transport must have his normal residence in a Member State other than the Member State of temporary importation. Second, the means of transport must be employed for private use and therefore not for activities undertaken for consideration or for profit. Third, the means of transport must not be disposed of or hired out in the Member State of temporary importation or lent to a resident of that State
Good Lord I am boring. And no I don't know what English law actually implements that.