56 in a 30 - what can I expect?!

56 in a 30 - what can I expect?!

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Jonny TVR

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4,533 posts

280 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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No points on my license, I need my license for my job and I can afford a lawyer and big fine. What can I expect and can anyone recommend a good lawyer for this type of offence. Thank you

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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According to ACPO guidelines anything above 50 in a 30 is a court summons. Doesn't look good but wouldn't normally be a ban unless over 60 as far as I know.

Moulder

1,463 posts

211 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Google "speeding sentencing guidelines" and there is a PDF with all the guidelines. Would guess 3-6 points or up to 57 day ban with anything up to 1k fine.

Fine/points/ban increases/decreases depending on speeding circumstances, with far more circumstances potentially increasing the penalty.

Jonny TVR

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4,533 posts

280 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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I would never do that speed on in a 30. The road is very unusual as its wide and straight and isn't built up. It feels like a 40 or 50 and catches lots of people out. It was a mobile camera van.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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What, never, except when you did?

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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I would love to have a go on one of these roads that catches you out. I assume that the road magically takes control of the car and presses the throttle pedal, or something. Cool!

Sheepshanks

32,535 posts

118 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Jonny TVR said:
I would never do that speed on in a 30. The road is very unusual as its wide and straight and isn't built up. It feels like a 40 or 50 and catches lots of people out. It was a mobile camera van.
It's almost like some roads are designed for the purpose. You see a nice bit of road, the Scamera Pratnerships see a revenue opportunity.

Not sure saying it feels like a 40 or 50 is going to help much when you were doing 56 (and probably an indicated 60) though.

Moulder

1,463 posts

211 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Should have clarified that pleading guilty should result in a lesser fine/points/ban but do not expect to have this reduction quantified prior to attending court.

V8forweekends

2,481 posts

123 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Sheepshanks said:
It's almost like some roads are designed for the purpose. You see a nice bit of road, the Scamera Pratnerships see a revenue opportunity.

Not sure saying it feels like a 40 or 50 is going to help much when you were doing 56 (and probably an indicated 60) though.
Does it have streelights?

Not much help now, but for future ref, if they are there and there are no repeaters for a different limit, it's 30. no matter what the rest of the road looks like.

Jonny TVR

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280 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Moulder said:
Should have clarified that pleading guilty should result in a lesser fine/points/ban but do not expect to have this reduction quantified prior to attending court.
Thank you for this but how do you know that?

Jonny TVR

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Monday 1st September 2014
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Breadvan72 said:
I would love to have a go on one of these roads that catches you out. I assume that the road magically takes control of the car and presses the throttle pedal, or something. Cool!
Not helpful and we all do things sometimes ....

Moulder

1,463 posts

211 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Jonny TVR said:
Moulder said:
Should have clarified that pleading guilty should result in a lesser fine/points/ban but do not expect to have this reduction quantified prior to attending court.
Thank you for this but how do you know that?
Ultimately for 56 in a 30 you are going to court where on the day your case will be heard by the magistrates and a fine/points/ban imposed (or not, if you are proven not guilty). As there is no fixed penalty for the offence it can not be reduced by 50% in advance as nobody knows what it is yet.

However, an early plea of guilty is seen as a positive for you as it reduces court time, witness time, etc.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Jonny TVR said:
Breadvan72 said:
I would love to have a go on one of these roads that catches you out. I assume that the road magically takes control of the car and presses the throttle pedal, or something. Cool!
Not helpful and we all do things sometimes ....
Yes, but some of us take responsibility for our mistakes and don't make flaky excuses.

Jonny TVR

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4,533 posts

280 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Breadvan72 said:
Yes, but some of us take responsibility for our mistakes and don't make flaky excuses.
Grow up!

nipsips

1,163 posts

134 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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I got caught doing 57 in a 30 by traffic police - no excuses at all just was being a dick. Sat me in the car, asked why I was doing it, told him the truth and he gave me some advise.

The officer said that they would take into account the fact the road was on an industrial estate, at night, no pedestrians around and that I was in a high powered car (whether the last bit hinders or helps is another matter). It was also noted that it was dry and that I showed no lack of control just high speed. I read the officers report which wasn't as scathing as it could have been, and showed that my vehicle was seen accelerating quickly to the speed I was caught at.

I received a courts summons that asked for my plea - I said Guilty. I was asked to give my mitigation/defence and put exactly what happened. You're then in the courts hands.

For what its worth I got 6 points and fine that equalled a weeks wages + court costs and a victims surcharge. Did I deserve a ban?

Possibly. Was a stupid thing to do and wont be repeated. Lesson learnt!

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Jonny TVR said:
Breadvan72 said:
Yes, but some of us take responsibility for our mistakes and don't make flaky excuses.
Grow up!
That is indeed the message. Now have a re read of your second post on the thread, poor little diddums.

Hilts

4,383 posts

281 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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I got caught coming out of the Piccadilly tunnel (30 limit) at 54 in my 350i a few years back. Copper gave me an FPN, 3 pts and £ 60. Said he could hear the car coming so was ready with the gun.

Driver101

14,376 posts

120 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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I think you'll get 6 points if you kiss arse.

Go in then start trying to justify that it wasn't really your fault and you don't really see any issue, I'd expect your attitude to get you more than 6 points.

Don't come across as you are in this thread or you'll get more than 6 points. Claiming everything other than yourself is the problem doesn't look good.

bobthebench

398 posts

262 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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On a clean licence, probably 5 points and fine based on income, but maybe £400. If you present respectably and no previous then no need for a solicitor - it comes across better someone holding there hands up, hiding nothing but your call.

You are entitled to a discount depending on how early you plea, to reflect the utilitiarian benefit to the court. i.e. you save us time and hassle, we save you money. 33% off everything if you plead first time it calls, 25% next calling, down to 10% if on the day of trial. Discounts apply to points too.

DUMBO100

1,878 posts

183 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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A guilty plea and no excuses generally seems to be met with approval by the judge but I'd still expect 6 points and £500 fine.