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Breadvan72 said:
Alas, Red, nine soldiers died in the 1993 incident. Many others have died in other US vs UK incidents. To be fair, UK vs UK incidents have also resulted in deaths, and US vs US too.
1991.(2 Warriors destroyed by an A-10).24% of US troops killed in the first Gulf War were due to "friendly fire".
Edited by Red 4 on Wednesday 3rd September 13:55
I like the tale of the yank navy on exercise in the far east , they had spent three days and many rounds of ordanance trying to destroy a towed target without success, then up popped a Royal Navy sub enquiring what all the noise was about , the yanks said if they could do any better feel free. 4 rounds later the sub sailed into the sunset signalling "sorry I seem to have sunk your toy !"
Why are you making this crap up?
What exactly did the UK submarine fire? a Mk24 Torpedo? a Cruise Missile? or a Trident Missile? No wait they must have used their SA80's or pistols.
And no UK Submarine would just pop up!
I think I'm taking this too seriously!
What exactly did the UK submarine fire? a Mk24 Torpedo? a Cruise Missile? or a Trident Missile? No wait they must have used their SA80's or pistols.
And no UK Submarine would just pop up!
I think I'm taking this too seriously!
Edited by sherbertdip on Wednesday 3rd September 15:21
Edited by sherbertdip on Wednesday 3rd September 15:22
Red 4 said:
It is BS.
British forces have never shot down an A10.
Two A10s did however attatck a British convoy - APCs, not tanks - during the 2003 Gulf War.
One soldier was killed, many more were injured.
With operational instructions not to fly/engage below 10,000 feet, and supplied with field glasses for target confirmation that would be hard pushed to spot an RAF roundel at 100yards..........British forces have never shot down an A10.
Two A10s did however attatck a British convoy - APCs, not tanks - during the 2003 Gulf War.
One soldier was killed, many more were injured.
TheProfessor said:
With operational instructions not to fly/engage below 10,000 feet, and supplied with field glasses for target confirmation that would be hard pushed to spot an RAF roundel at 100yards..........
Not many American A-10's or British Army Warrior IFV's will have the RAF roundel on... 
Also pretty sure that most Tornado, Buccaneer and Jaguar missions were low-level penetration missions, involving flying at altitudes measured in tens and hundreds of feet, rather than thousands...
(All allied vehicles had the massive inverted 'V' on the side).
Duke147 said:
Not many American A-10's or British Army Warrior IFV's will have the RAF roundel on...
Also pretty sure that most Tornado, Buccaneer and Jaguar missions were low-level penetration missions, involving flying at altitudes measured in tens and hundreds of feet, rather than thousands...
(All allied vehicles had the massive inverted 'V' on the side).
Yes RAF were operating at <100 feet on numerous occasions, USAF SOP was no engagement below 10k for whatever reason.Also pretty sure that most Tornado, Buccaneer and Jaguar missions were low-level penetration missions, involving flying at altitudes measured in tens and hundreds of feet, rather than thousands...
(All allied vehicles had the massive inverted 'V' on the side).
Ground troops operational orders was also to deploy a large orange (IR reflecting?) tarp deployed to all top surfaces. It was proved during the inquiry that it would have been visible had the A10 pilots taken time to correctly identify friend or foe.
The inquiry also reported that the A10's were cleared for ground attack missions in the area, even though the AFV squadron had reported its position which was in turn reported to RAF command in the area as well.
grumpy52 said:
Not as good as the personal alarm rescue beacon (EPIRB?) That had activated sparking a search , including Nimrod aircraft . It was eventually located in a boat on a low loader on a motorway in the midlands .
Activated when it fell into a water filled bilge , I suspect this was internet Bo##ocks as well .
On a lighter note - my dad accidentally set off an EPIRB at home and they did scramble a coastguard helicopter since he lives relatively close to the solent.Activated when it fell into a water filled bilge , I suspect this was internet Bo##ocks as well .
When the police arrived he kept denying he had any radio devices in the house.
They were really not pleased.
Red 4 said:
Breadvan72 said:
Alas, Red, nine soldiers died in the 1993 incident. Many others have died in other US vs UK incidents. To be fair, UK vs UK incidents have also resulted in deaths, and US vs US too.
1991.(2 Warriors destroyed by an A-10).24% of US troops killed in the first Gulf War were due to "friendly fire".
k. Some Fog of War is inevitable, I suppose, but that case and some others show some major system and personal failures.
Heard this story many years back originally, it was published in a newspaper back in the 1980's back then the alleged incident happened in Wales
An amusing and true story was of the Welsh farmer who annoyed at the amount of the low flying aircraft over his house painted "P*SS OFF BIGGLES" on his barn roof , unfortunately the pilots found this very funny and shared the story to other pilots during a joint NATO event held at RAF Valley some weeks later which resulted in a large amount of the worlds air force going to take a look
http://www.targeta.co.uk/wheretogo.htm
An amusing and true story was of the Welsh farmer who annoyed at the amount of the low flying aircraft over his house painted "P*SS OFF BIGGLES" on his barn roof , unfortunately the pilots found this very funny and shared the story to other pilots during a joint NATO event held at RAF Valley some weeks later which resulted in a large amount of the worlds air force going to take a look
http://www.targeta.co.uk/wheretogo.htm
sherbertdip said:
Why are you making this crap up?
What exactly did the UK submarine fire? a Mk24 Torpedo? a Cruise Missile? or a Trident Missile? No wait they must have used their SA80's or pistols.
And no UK Submarine would just pop up!
I think I'm taking this too seriously!
Many tales of this type come from a time when things were a little less p c mainly the 50s 60s and 70s .
Inter service banter and especially between allied services was very lively and in many cases tracked in acknowledged but unauthorised journals.
In the subs case back in the 60s I imagine the weapon used was just a deck gun.
I am but the messenger and never claim anything to be 100% truthful or genuine.
Dear old Readers Digest used to have a section for humour in uniform which contained many of these tales , wether they were true or fanciful most induced at least a smile and many outright laughter .
What exactly did the UK submarine fire? a Mk24 Torpedo? a Cruise Missile? or a Trident Missile? No wait they must have used their SA80's or pistols.
And no UK Submarine would just pop up!
I think I'm taking this too seriously!
Many tales of this type come from a time when things were a little less p c mainly the 50s 60s and 70s .
Inter service banter and especially between allied services was very lively and in many cases tracked in acknowledged but unauthorised journals.
In the subs case back in the 60s I imagine the weapon used was just a deck gun.
I am but the messenger and never claim anything to be 100% truthful or genuine.
Dear old Readers Digest used to have a section for humour in uniform which contained many of these tales , wether they were true or fanciful most induced at least a smile and many outright laughter .
Edited by sherbertdip on Wednesday 3rd September 15:21
Edited by sherbertdip on Wednesday 3rd September 15:22
Osinjak said:
grumpy52 said:
This gets resurrected very frequently in military circles , they love bashing the yanks.
Without wishing to be argumentative, I've been in the military for 17 years and I've never heard this story related once. Mind you, the latter half of your sentence is absolutely spot on.Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff