Man being chased by police - should you help?
Discussion
Mr Trophy said:
Little risk legally in his actions there, it was quite clear he had committed an offence in assaulting the officers.Its sad but i believe at least 90% of the British public would have done nothing in that situation.
Rovinghawk said:
ED209 said:
i believe at least 90% of the British public would have done nothing in that situation.
An important question is: why not?So children, elderly, disabled, those lacking in physical statue. Once you remove these you are left with people who could help but may not because they are either scared or have a problem with the Police.
I think most normal people would help if they felt able. However I think that the majority of normal people lack the confidence or ability to involve themselves in a physical confrontation.
I certainly don't think that most normal people wouldn't get involved because they have an issue with the Police.
Devil2575 said:
Rovinghawk said:
ED209 said:
i believe at least 90% of the British public would have done nothing in that situation.
An important question is: why not?So children, elderly, disabled, those lacking in physical statue. Once you remove these you are left with people who could help but may not because they are either scared or have a problem with the Police.
I think most normal people would help if they felt able. However I think that the majority of normal people lack the confidence or ability to involve themselves in a physical confrontation.
I certainly don't think that most normal people wouldn't get involved because they have an issue with the Police.
Rovinghawk, not sure why you deleted your post?
Yes, people who have had a bad experience with one policeman, and then allows that to affect their entire perception of the police. So much so that they would quite happily stand by and let someone get away, not taking into consideration any victims who would benefit from your help. But yes, people like that.
Yes, people who have had a bad experience with one policeman, and then allows that to affect their entire perception of the police. So much so that they would quite happily stand by and let someone get away, not taking into consideration any victims who would benefit from your help. But yes, people like that.
Devil2575 said:
I think most normal people would help if they felt able. However I think that the majority of normal people lack the confidence or ability to involve themselves in a physical confrontation.
I certainly don't think that most normal people wouldn't get involved because they have an issue with the Police.
I agree with this. I certainly don't think that most normal people wouldn't get involved because they have an issue with the Police.
My experience and belief is the majority of the public would help the police in lots other ways i.e. provide information / a statement to help bring people to justice.
What's the key difference here? It's the confrontation and physical aspect, the flight or flight.
Well done that chap on the link already posted.
Elroy Blue said:
I've been helped out by a member of our Travelling fraternity, who I've arrested on numerous occasions. His view was that the fellow kicking off was 'out of order'. He might be a criminal, but he's clearly not one of the usual suspects who crop up on here.
It's surprising how helpful some arrestees can be! A couple of times people I've lifted have helped me out in one way or another on other occasions. Just shows that even when you're nicking them, if you do it right, it isn't always all bad vibes forever after!Mk3Spitfire said:
Rovinghawk, not sure why you deleted your post?
Yes, people who have had a bad experience with one policeman, and then allows that to affect their entire perception of the police.
What about those who have had repeated bad experiences with different bad policemen & policewomen? Yes, people who have had a bad experience with one policeman, and then allows that to affect their entire perception of the police.
I've had a couple of examples of corruption (abuse of position to pursue vendettas), a couple of examples of drunken idiocy involving using a warrant card, a couple of examples of simple rudeness and one case of failure to properly log events (resolved under threat of legal action). I doubt I'm the only one.
Why did I delete my previous post? Because you & yours will either deny these examples happened or tell me that it's because I in some way deserve it.
My opinion is that many police have alienated the public, sacrificing their support on various altars including speed-camera obsession, being Billy big-b
ks, forgetting that the public are to be treated decently until proven otherwise and utter stupidity such as the tasering of the blind man. Any criticism, no matter how justified, is met by a closing of ranks & defence of what is often indefensible.I've met a few decent ones and have a few police friends, but the good ones are in serious danger of being obscured by the seemingly-increasing numbers of bad ones.
I expect you to disregard everything I've just written, but FWIW it's an answer to your query.
Shaoxter said:
Might stick a leg out in that scenario but still, what if he hits his head on the pavement and dies? Wouldn't get involved in that kind of thing generally - large risk and zero return.
I mean look how under-appreciated Spiderman always seems to be!
Large risk? Really? Return is huge, potentially. 1 man crime wave terminated.I mean look how under-appreciated Spiderman always seems to be!
If you had any concept of how scrutinised the police service is, both internally and ex, you wouldn't be so sure about the closing of ranks.
Before I joined the police I had 3 dealings with the police. Not bad in 22 years.
Meeting 1) Tried to stop a patrol car, crawling through the streets, to report some yoofs throwing eggs from a rooftop. Got a bking by a arrogant cop for stopping him.
Meeting 2) Nearly got arrested by a very arrogant and overly aggressive policeman. Completely mistaken identity. After initial bking and realisation he was wrong, got a vague apology, and he left.
Meeting 3) Got pulled over because my tyres looked bald. They weren't. Policeman was indifferent and left.
Did my 2 bad experiences affect the rest of my life and make me hate the police? No. Because I'm open minded enough to realise police are people. Some people are idiots. Some police will therefore be idiots.
Before I joined the police I had 3 dealings with the police. Not bad in 22 years.
Meeting 1) Tried to stop a patrol car, crawling through the streets, to report some yoofs throwing eggs from a rooftop. Got a b
king by a arrogant cop for stopping him. Meeting 2) Nearly got arrested by a very arrogant and overly aggressive policeman. Completely mistaken identity. After initial b
king and realisation he was wrong, got a vague apology, and he left. Meeting 3) Got pulled over because my tyres looked bald. They weren't. Policeman was indifferent and left.
Did my 2 bad experiences affect the rest of my life and make me hate the police? No. Because I'm open minded enough to realise police are people. Some people are idiots. Some police will therefore be idiots.
Mk3Spitfire said:
Did my 2 bad experiences affect the rest of my life and make me hate the police? No. .
I'll focus on this part.I don't hate the police. I don't really hate anybody (I'm too lazy, probably).
I think some members of the police are of too low a standard to continue to be members of the police & believe that jettisoning them would raise the standing of (& support for) the remainder. That position can be extended to include PCSOs, social workers, etc.
Rovinghawk said:
I think some members of the police are of too low a standard to continue to be members of the police & believe that jettisoning them would raise the standing
Yes, if course. But there are members of the NHS, the fire service, lawyers, shelf stackers at tesco who are unprofessional at times. The issue I have with you, is that you feel the need to target the police, but are quite happy to acquiesce the others. Rovinghawk said:
I think some members of the police are of too low a standard to continue to be members of the police & believe that jettisoning them would raise the standing
Yes, if course. But there are members of the NHS, the fire service, lawyers, shelf stackers at tesco who are unprofessional at times. The issue I have with you, is that you feel the need to target the police, but are quite happy to acquiesce the others. Mk3Spitfire said:
Yes, if course. But there are members of the NHS, the fire service, lawyers, shelf stackers at tesco who are unprofessional at times. The issue I have with you, is that you feel the need to target the police, but are quite happy to acquiesce the others.
You forget that mr roving of the family hawk has a huge blind spot about his consistent failures of attitude.Mk3Spitfire said:
Yes, if course. But there are members of the NHS, the fire service, lawyers, shelf stackers at tesco who are unprofessional at times. The issue I have with you, is that you feel the need to target the police, but are quite happy to acquiesce the others.
You forget that mr roving of the family hawk has a huge blind spot about his consistent failures of attitude.Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff