Pushed someone a few times - Assault?
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Eclassy said:
Bigends
Your views are quite refereshing and it makes good change that for once on here there is a copper who isnt toeing the line.
That's exactly what he is doing. Do you specialise in stating the total opposite? Your views are quite refereshing and it makes good change that for once on here there is a copper who isnt toeing the line.
Bigends said:
Ive said on other parts of this thread - nobody expects every crime to be investigated - there are limited resources available therefore if its not proportionate to investigate the minor stuff - let the victim know - finalise the crime and move onto priority stuff. Its important that we get the recording right - how can the bosses and those holding the purse strings know whats going on without recording the allegations.
There are lots of other data indicators other than recorded crime. Most forces are reducing down to response and process which requires less analysis, or a different type (NSIR rather than HOCR, for example). I also said it's the recording that's now taking lots of time, not the investigation. Will a commander give two s
ts a no-complaint, riskless common assault isn't recorded, taking the officer 30 minutes to do rather than responding to an unallocated immediate? That's the practicality is boils down to and will do for a lot of forces. There's also a % tolerance of inaccuracy that would still allow a high accuracy of analysis along with the cost / benefit I speculated upon, but this really is going down some boring statistical lines. It's interesting to see how things will shape and look in the coming years.
La Liga said:
Eclassy said:
Bigends
Your views are quite refereshing and it makes good change that for once on here there is a copper who isnt toeing the line.
That's exactly what he is doing. Do you specialise in stating the total opposite? Your views are quite refereshing and it makes good change that for once on here there is a copper who isnt toeing the line.
Bigends said:
Ive said on other parts of this thread - nobody expects every crime to be investigated - there are limited resources available therefore if its not proportionate to investigate the minor stuff - let the victim know - finalise the crime and move onto priority stuff. Its important that we get the recording right - how can the bosses and those holding the purse strings know whats going on without recording the allegations.
There are lots of other data indicators other than recorded crime. Most forces are reducing down to response and process which requires less analysis, or a different type (NSIR rather than HOCR, for example). I also said it's the recording that's now taking lots of time, not the investigation. There's also a % tolerance of inaccuracy that would still allow a high accuracy of analysis along with the cost / benefit I speculated upon, but this really is going down some boring statistical lines. It's interesting to see how things will shape and look in the coming years. CSEW, the three (IIRC) layers of SNA surveying, the reports produced by the central analysts which will have intel and other indicators, other data from different organisations like the LA etc. It's obviously better to have data as accurate as possible, but an error tolerance is acceptable, it's just a question as to how large compared to the benefits (of the errors that have a benefit). Your force may be sorted, but chances are others are making greater cuts and making different decisions. It may not be as easy for them. Plus they may have a PCC who wants to measure everything to "hold to the chief to account" 
La Liga said:
CSEW, the three (IIRC) layers of SNA surveying, the reports produced by the central analysts which will have intel and other indicators, other data from different organisations like the LA etc. It's obviously better to have data as accurate as possible, but an error tolerance is acceptable, it's just a question as to how large compared to the benefits (of the errors that have a benefit). You force may be sorted, but chances are others are making greater cuts and make different decisions. It may not be as easy for them. Plus they may have a PCC who wants to measure everything to "hold to the chief to account"
Problem is recent HMIC audits have found forces under recording by over 30% in some case - not a tolerable errorLa Liga said:
Which won't have any benefit, either (other than to achieve performance targets). That is unacceptable and I am guessing is linked to specific crime areas e.g. burglary, vehicle crime, assaults and sexual offences.
Sexual offences featured heavily but the remainder were random crime typeshora said:
Still amazed that I can class myself as having been assaulted. Its been almost 20yrs since I was last in a proper fist fight toe-to-toe. Since then I've actively got into a scrape to stop it but never had to swing etc. But in 2013 I was assaulted
You've probably been subject to those offences too - Eclassy hasn't though, before he starts.
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