Police Bike rider in accident - vid footage
Discussion
Shaw Tarse said:
johnnywb said:
onyx39 said:
Would the bike and royal vehicles not have been on "blues", in which case it's a clear case of the drivers fault?
As for the taking off motorcyclists helmet, very interesting, I had not read this.
Yep. I work in the West End and see these convoys quite regularly (at least once a week generally). They always run on blue lights. They don't tend to have sirens, but they do have a 'whistle' which I guess is their version of a siren. The bikes seem to race ahead an block junctions / stop traffic to allow the main cars (Range Rover / Jag) with the Discovery behind them to speed straight through.As for the taking off motorcyclists helmet, very interesting, I had not read this.
YouTube has vids of them in action.
I would have thought the bikes would have sirens too, as I'd have thought if the sh!t hit the fan, you wouldn't seen the convoy for dust?
Hope all parties recover.
mel said:
StuntmanMike said:
I don't know because the video didn't work for me, however what concerned me was the fact the cop's helmet was off, surely his colleagues wouldn't of removed it would they?
This is the 1990's calling, if you know what you're doing and it's in the riders best interest then the helmet comes off. Now days every motorcyclist should know how to do this properly and safely as the odds are you'll be first on scene when your mate goes skittling down the road. If you don't know how it's about time you learnt, there really is no excuse.I've seen the extremes of a lightly injured walking rider physically fighting with his mates as he wanted to take his helmet off and they all thought he should keep it on till the ambulance got there, and know of cases where riders choked to death on their own blood and tongue because everyone was still suffering from the 1990's indoctrination of "don't take his helmet off"
http://www.kent.fire-uk.org/your_safety/road_safet...
https://www.facebook.com/bikerdownuk
It was spinal injury I would have been worried about.
On the criminal side it will depend on whether the driving involved was at the standard expected of a careful and competent driver. That includes that of the Police motorcyclist, who enjoys no exemption from Careless Driving.
On the civil, all the circumstances will be taken into account, including the speed of the motorcyclist and his visibility to the emerging driver at the junction, as well as the actions of the emerging driver in keeping a proper lookout.
An idea of how the courts might approach a case like this (though the circumstances are slightly different) can be found here;
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2013/4108.h...
When reading the above it's worth taking note of 'causative potency'; that blame can be apportioned not just on the actions, but also on their capability to cause damage if things go wrong. In other words, a motorcyclist is more vulnerable than a car driver, so if both equally to blame for the collision occurring, the car driver can be held most responsible for the damage (note damage, rather than collision).
On the civil, all the circumstances will be taken into account, including the speed of the motorcyclist and his visibility to the emerging driver at the junction, as well as the actions of the emerging driver in keeping a proper lookout.
An idea of how the courts might approach a case like this (though the circumstances are slightly different) can be found here;
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2013/4108.h...
When reading the above it's worth taking note of 'causative potency'; that blame can be apportioned not just on the actions, but also on their capability to cause damage if things go wrong. In other words, a motorcyclist is more vulnerable than a car driver, so if both equally to blame for the collision occurring, the car driver can be held most responsible for the damage (note damage, rather than collision).
tenpenceshort said:
When reading the above it's worth taking note of 'causative potency'; that blame can be apportioned not just on the actions, but also on their capability to cause damage if things go wrong. In other words, a motorcyclist is more vulnerable than a car driver, so if both equally to blame for the collision occurring, the car driver can be held most responsible for the damage (note damage, rather than collision).
Interesting stuff. When I was on two wheels some time ago, the thought in my mind regarding the possibility of crashing wasn't about who would be held most responsible for damage, it was about how skin around metal is self-evidently more vulnerable than metal around skin, along with that went an even greater responsibility to take care regardless of rights if and when it went wrong.
PS that biker safety vid was excellent.
carinaman said:
anonymous said:
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Agreed. Junctions are dangerous places. That comment reminds of the one where a motorcyclist overtaking on a through road collided with that Special Constable joining from the side junction that couldn't get her story right about whether she was on her mobile phone.It's criminal that amount of fuss that's made about speed while so little is made about the multitude of potential dangers at junctions.
'It's within the rules'?
That reads like driving by numbers. Someone can be driving within the rules, I am thinking mainly of speed limits here, but driving badly or inconsiderately.
I am not sure driving by numbers works when there are so many different permutations of what could potentially happen at a junction.
It's legal for me to paint myself black and walk up lane 2 of the A14 at 3am. Not a very clever idea though.
stupid cyclist said:
A cyclist, who wishes to remain anonymous, saw the convoy of two blacked-out Range Rovers and four motorbike outriders pass him at ‘incredibly high speed’.
He said: ‘I decided to speed up to see if I could catch up with them.
If he thought that, they weren't actually going that fast.He said: ‘I decided to speed up to see if I could catch up with them.
speedking31 said:
stupid cyclist said:
A cyclist, who wishes to remain anonymous, saw the convoy of two blacked-out Range Rovers and four motorbike outriders pass him at ‘incredibly high speed’.
He said: ‘I decided to speed up to see if I could catch up with them.
If he thought that, they weren't actually going that fast.He said: ‘I decided to speed up to see if I could catch up with them.
Still, you do what you do on the day.
Shaw Tarse said:
I've read that the whistle is more effective than sirens in these situations?
That is exactly why they use them."We aim to move the principal in a dignified manner, allowing them perhaps to work during a journey with the absolute minimum of fuss. With the symphony of noise that most people are exposed to in London, the majority have 'filtered out' sirens, so common is their sound. Consequently, they are of little use - people just don't 'hear' them anymore".
Whistles on the other hand, are remarkably effective, principally because their sound is so alien. In the maelstrom of city noise, their sound stands out and people actually look for the source. Likewise, the speed of the convoy whilst low is constant, rarely deviating from 20mph through central London. The effect on anyone travelling within the sterile cocoon of safety created by the escort is remarkable, a little akin to travelling within the eye of a raging storm.
http://blackrat.20six.co.uk/blackrat/art/68057/Inc...
The only difference now is the make of bike they use.
Looking at the video and the time it took after the accident for the 1st Police to arrive on the scene and then for the convoy to come through my guess is that the bike in the accident was leap frogging the convoy to block the next major junction so possibly was going faster than the 20mph? speed limit (regents park).
I read that they were on light but no sirens!
The most shocking part of the video imo is the flash of a "flying yellow" as the rider is flown over the top of the Prius.. then to hear discharged from hospital is miraculous.
Having gone of the handlebars on my bicycle a few times and a lot slower I suspect his gnads hurt!!
I read that they were on light but no sirens!
The most shocking part of the video imo is the flash of a "flying yellow" as the rider is flown over the top of the Prius.. then to hear discharged from hospital is miraculous.
Having gone of the handlebars on my bicycle a few times and a lot slower I suspect his gnads hurt!!
s. Shocking lack of awareness in all situations and just bad drivers.
The way i look at it is, as the toyota pulls up to the junction , there is a van that goes past.
There is a gap, so pulls out,
By the looks of it, as the toyota crosses the carriage way another car passes the junction!
The bike clearley on the wrong side of the road was obscured from view by the passing car as the toyota pulled out, hanse bang!
There is a gap, so pulls out,
By the looks of it, as the toyota crosses the carriage way another car passes the junction!
The bike clearley on the wrong side of the road was obscured from view by the passing car as the toyota pulled out, hanse bang!
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