Remove all laws of the land. Replace by rules.

Remove all laws of the land. Replace by rules.

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robinessex

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11,046 posts

180 months

Sunday 14th September 2014
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I don’t know if this is my own brilliant idea, or I’m pinching from someone who’s already thought of it.

At midnight on the 31st December 2014, all the laws of the land are rescinded. Replaced by Rules. Which means if you break a rule, you will be hauled up to be judged as to whether the breaking of that rule is detrimental to society. And punished accordingly. So something like:-

Rules
For the obedience of fools
The judgement of wise men.

As an example, of you travel at 31mph on a 30mph zone, you’ve broken a rule. You haven’t committed an automatic offence. You are then judged on the consequences of breaking that rule. So doing 31mph along an empty street at 1:00am isn’t considered detrimental, thus no punishment. However, do 70mph at 9:00am down the 30mph high street, and you are sent to the colonies as punishment.

Over to you guys now for this to be shot down in flames I suspect. BV is going to love this one. He’s going to tell me Laws are really rules, as they have to be interpreted upon by learned gentlemen.

Durzel

12,232 posts

167 months

Sunday 14th September 2014
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This isn't new, it's basically Freeman on the Land wibble.

robinessex

Original Poster:

11,046 posts

180 months

Sunday 14th September 2014
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Durzel said:
This isn't new, it's basically Freeman on the Land wibble.
You'll have to explain that to me !!!

ging84

8,825 posts

145 months

Sunday 14th September 2014
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Essentially i think you could achieve 90%+ of what you want by removing the phrase such as 'commits an offence' with has broken a rule
It would make no difference

ging84

8,825 posts

145 months

Sunday 14th September 2014
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No the freeman on the land wibble say you can pick an choose what laws you do and don't like and the ones you don't agree with don't apply to you

Durzel

12,232 posts

167 months

Sunday 14th September 2014
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Let's look at this practically..

There aren't enough Police, judges or courts in this country to be able to sustain a lawless society that does things ordinarily illegal and waits to see if they will get pulled up on it.

Society can only really function if there is an expectation that most people will be law abiding. Wilful disobedience of laws leads to an practical inability to enforce that law, or more relaxed enforcement of them - e.g. small scale computer piracy, possession of small amount of cannabis for personal use, etc.

Speed limits are arbitrary, and punishment is already metered on a scale from discretionary "telling offs" up to custodial sentences. There is already flex in automated enforcement (Gatsos don't AFAIK actually flash as 31mph, probably up to 33mph?). Speed limits need to be arbitrary for the whole system to function, if there was no defined limit - and the limit was only managed by case-by-case court appearances, then courts would overflow and cease to function, and people would push the boundaries further and further if they think they could get away with it. People would (and to some extent already do) go as fast as they think they could get away with.

So in short your system couldn't work on a purely practical level. The only way law & order actually works is from most people being law-abiding.

mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Sunday 14th September 2014
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Durzel said:
This isn't new, it's basically Freeman on the Land wibble.
tempered with a degree of PH "i'm a powerfully built net contributor Company director therefore the law shouldn't apply to me as I f***ing pay your wages public sector scum , go and harass some chavs, s, cripples or accession state nationals ".

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 14th September 2014
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mph1977 said:
Durzel said:
This isn't new, it's basically Freeman on the Land wibble.
tempered with a degree of PH "i'm a powerfully built net contributor Company director therefore the law shouldn't apply to me as I f***ing pay your wages public sector scum , go and harass some chavs, s, cripples or accession state nationals ".
Oh dear, even on a Sunday............

mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Sunday 14th September 2014
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REALIST123 said:
mph1977 said:
Durzel said:
This isn't new, it's basically Freeman on the Land wibble.
tempered with a degree of PH "i'm a powerfully built net contributor Company director therefore the law shouldn't apply to me as I f***ing pay your wages public sector scum , go and harass some chavs, s, cripples or accession state nationals ".
Oh dear, even on a Sunday............
and part of the criteria for fddiagnosing Sociopathic traitsa , is their utter lack of empathy and belief that their behaviour is normal and acceptable , this is beforte considering narcissistic factors as an overlay.

emmaT2014

1,860 posts

115 months

Sunday 14th September 2014
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The OP is one of those simpletons on TOWIE and I claim my £5.

OP - Perhaps you should arrange a referendum and seperate from the UK just as the rest of the TOWIE type dicks have done.

Toltec

7,159 posts

222 months

Sunday 14th September 2014
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You need to meet up with this chap http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... I reckon you might get on well.

robinessex

Original Poster:

11,046 posts

180 months

Sunday 14th September 2014
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emmaT2014 said:
The OP is one of those simpletons on TOWIE and I claim my £5.

OP - Perhaps you should arrange a referendum and seperate from the UK just as the rest of the TOWIE type dicks have done.
With a post like that, it's obvious you're going to be an invalueable contributor to PH postings. Those that don't stretch you intelect to much, that is.

tenpenceshort

32,880 posts

216 months

Sunday 14th September 2014
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robinessex said:
With a post like that, it's obvious you're going to be an invalueable contributor to PH postings. Those that don't stretch you intelect to much, that is.
Intellect is obviously in short supply here. Your OP is the stuff of primary schools.

HTH.

robinessex

Original Poster:

11,046 posts

180 months

Sunday 14th September 2014
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tenpenceshort said:
robinessex said:
With a post like that, it's obvious you're going to be an invalueable contributor to PH postings. Those that don't stretch you intelect to much, that is.
Intellect is obviously in short supply here. Your OP is the stuff of primary schools.

HTH.
Sorry the posting is above your head.

tenpenceshort

32,880 posts

216 months

Sunday 14th September 2014
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robinessex said:
Sorry the posting is above your head.
Above my head is thin air which, coincidentally...

robinessex

Original Poster:

11,046 posts

180 months

Sunday 14th September 2014
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The tts have arrived. Nothing sensible to say, so I'm out of here. Can't be bothered anymore.

emmaT2014

1,860 posts

115 months

Sunday 14th September 2014
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robinessex said:
emmaT2014 said:
The OP is one of those simpletons on TOWIE and I claim my £5.

OP - Perhaps you should arrange a referendum and seperate from the UK just as the rest of the TOWIE type dicks have done.
With a post like that, it's obvious you're going to be an invalueable contributor to PH postings. Those that don't stretch you intelect to much, that is.
Well you started it you idiot.

Read your OP and think again.

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 14th September 2014
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Or post-doctoral:-

http://www.law.yale.edu/documents/pdf/Faculty/Shap...

http://philosophyfaculty.ucsd.edu/FACULTY/RARNESON...

... but most likely post pub.



Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 14th September 20:11

tenpenceshort

32,880 posts

216 months

Sunday 14th September 2014
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Postman, more like.

sherbertdip

1,097 posts

118 months

Sunday 14th September 2014
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robinessex said:
Over to you guys now for this to be shot down in flames
robinessex said:
The tts have arrived. Nothing sensible to say, so I'm out of here. Can't be bothered anymore.
Why get so pissy and throw a tantrum, you asked for responses expecting to get laughed at, you were!