We had "polite" horse riders..... now "polite" Vans ?

[mph1977]

Mark Benson said:

Devil2575 said:

mph1977 said:

V8Ford said:

Big cluster of cars acting as a rolling roadblock this morning on the M6. The reason? A camera van driving along in lane 1. Victor Medrew-type character in the van probably revelling at his power to slow cars down even whilst on the move.
Repeat with HATO cars, and Vosa people carriers. And Transits with police-style markings

Absolutely nothing to do with vehicles with chapter 8 markings, and everything to do with unobservant steering wheel operative tossers who cannot read .

it;s certain other vehicles i'm more likely to be careful passing than anything with chapter 8 markings ....

Indeed. This has feck all to do with the Camera van and everything to do with the idiots drivers who are scared to pass it.

So given that there are a reasonable number of people who react unpredictably to anything resembling a Police vehicle, making a garage's Transit or a motorcyclist resemble that which causes their behaviour is:

a) Not adding to the problem?
b) Making the problem worse?

are you advocating the condoning of driving without due care and attention ?

are you advocating the nannying of the incompetent and dangerous so they feel better ?

are you sure you should be on PH ?
while powerful build, goattee and directorships are actually optional, caring about driving standards isn't ...

[LoonR1]

mph1977 said:

are you advocating the condoning of driving without due care and attention ?

are you advocating the nannying of the incompetent and dangerous so they feel better ?

are you sure you should be on PH ?
while powerful build, goattee and directorships are actually optional, caring about driving standards isn't ...

He's not saying g it's him. He's passing g (rightfull) comment on the 99% of drivers who aren't Pistonheads and see driving as no more than a means to an end.

[Mark Benson]

mph1977 said:

Mark Benson said:

Devil2575 said:

mph1977 said:

V8Ford said:

Big cluster of cars acting as a rolling roadblock this morning on the M6. The reason? A camera van driving along in lane 1. Victor Medrew-type character in the van probably revelling at his power to slow cars down even whilst on the move.
Repeat with HATO cars, and Vosa people carriers. And Transits with police-style markings

Absolutely nothing to do with vehicles with chapter 8 markings, and everything to do with unobservant steering wheel operative tossers who cannot read .

it;s certain other vehicles i'm more likely to be careful passing than anything with chapter 8 markings ....

Indeed. This has feck all to do with the Camera van and everything to do with the idiots drivers who are scared to pass it.

So given that there are a reasonable number of people who react unpredictably to anything resembling a Police vehicle, making a garage's Transit or a motorcyclist resemble that which causes their behaviour is:

a) Not adding to the problem?
b) Making the problem worse?

are you advocating the condoning of driving without due care and attention ?

are you advocating the nannying of the incompetent and dangerous so they feel better ?

are you sure you should be on PH ?
while powerful build, goattee and directorships are actually optional, caring about driving standards isn't ...

No, I'm not. Read it again.

[Kaelic]

What I would like to see is this:

Emergency vehicles that do look completely different to any other vehicle on the fecking road, so I can at a glance see it in my rear view mirror and start considering pulling over or getting out of its way. Or at least be aware of its presence if needs be.

All other vehicles NOT to look like an emergency vehicle so I dont have to glance again, and then start trying to decipher the script on the side of a van which is driving agressively up my arse end because the behind the wheel thinks he is smart.


diluting the look of emergency vehicles so they can act like pricks on the road and then just say "its an advert" is a s move. I seen this thing in the flesh and it took me a second glance to work out what it was, it didnt help that it had legit looking police crests etc... At first glance I assumed it was a police vehicle until I got close enough to read the crest and the "polite" banner across the back.

Now if the driver had just driven about as a normal driver instead of the idiot he was driving like I would probably ignored it, but due to the nature of his driving and the signage of the vehicle, I now know where not to take my car for any work to be done!

Its bad enough barried out idiots intimidating other drivers on the road in normal vehicles, to do it in one which is clearly marked up to mock a police vehicle is far far worse!

[Devil2575]

Mark Benson said:

Devil2575 said:

mph1977 said:

V8Ford said:

Big cluster of cars acting as a rolling roadblock this morning on the M6. The reason? A camera van driving along in lane 1. Victor Medrew-type character in the van probably revelling at his power to slow cars down even whilst on the move.
Repeat with HATO cars, and Vosa people carriers. And Transits with police-style markings

Absolutely nothing to do with vehicles with chapter 8 markings, and everything to do with unobservant steering wheel operative tossers who cannot read .

it;s certain other vehicles i'm more likely to be careful passing than anything with chapter 8 markings ....

Indeed. This has feck all to do with the Camera van and everything to do with the idiots drivers who are scared to pass it.

So given that there are a reasonable number of people who react unpredictably to anything resembling a Police vehicle, making a garage's Transit or a motorcyclist resemble that which causes their behaviour is:

a) Not adding to the problem?
b) Making the problem worse?

It's one vehicle. How many Police vehciles are the road the road in the UK?
What percentage increase does this vehciles constitute?

Yes the owner should be told to stop being a tt, but the reason for doing so is not because twunts do stupid things when the see, or think they see, Police vehicles.

[Red 4]

Devil2575 said:

1. Yes the owner should be told to stop being a tt,

2. but the reason for doing so is not because twunts do stupid things when the see, or think they see, Police vehicles.

1. Agreed. It's very Walt'ish.

2. You'd be amazed by the number of people who cannot see police vehicles (even when lit-up like a Christmas tree).

[Cat]

Red 4 said:

2. You'd be amazed by the number of people who cannot see police vehicles (even when lit-up like a Christmas tree).

Just a thought, but have you tried lighting them up like a police vehicle instead of using fairy lights?

Cat

[Mark Benson]

Devil2575 said:

Mark Benson said:

Devil2575 said:

mph1977 said:

V8Ford said:

Big cluster of cars acting as a rolling roadblock this morning on the M6. The reason? A camera van driving along in lane 1. Victor Medrew-type character in the van probably revelling at his power to slow cars down even whilst on the move.
Repeat with HATO cars, and Vosa people carriers. And Transits with police-style markings

Absolutely nothing to do with vehicles with chapter 8 markings, and everything to do with unobservant steering wheel operative tossers who cannot read .

it;s certain other vehicles i'm more likely to be careful passing than anything with chapter 8 markings ....

Indeed. This has feck all to do with the Camera van and everything to do with the idiots drivers who are scared to pass it.

So given that there are a reasonable number of people who react unpredictably to anything resembling a Police vehicle, making a garage's Transit or a motorcyclist resemble that which causes their behaviour is:

a) Not adding to the problem?
b) Making the problem worse?

It's one vehicle. How many Police vehciles are the road the road in the UK?
What percentage increase does this vehciles constitute?

Yes the owner should be told to stop being a tt, but the reason for doing so is not because twunts do stupid things when the see, or think they see, Police vehicles.

It appears to be a growing problem, horse riders first, then motorcyclists (the van I'm actually less bothered about, as there are unlikely to be a proliferation of bellends in vans similar to the one in the OP). It caught on in horse riding circles, it now appears to be catching on among the hordes of retired 'born again' bikers that wobble along the roads round here (Dales) every summer.

While I can understand why vulnerable road users feel the need to 'imitate' (or impersonate, depending on your point of view) the police (haiving owned horses I know how unnerving it can be riding them on the road), given the issue of how people react when they see 'The Police' it's only going to make sudden and erratic behaviour worse.

The issue of the way many drivers react to seeing what they think is a police officer is a problem, which does need to be addressed.

However, given that there is the problem and no-one seems to be bothered about addressing it, how can it be right to exacerbate the issue by tricking people into thinking you're the very thing that causes them to act that way?

[Red Devil]

Cat said:

Red 4 said:

2. You'd be amazed by the number of people who cannot see police vehicles (even when lit-up like a Christmas tree).

Just a thought, but have you tried lighting them up like a police vehicle instead of using fairy lights?

Cat

Magic!

Mark Benson said:

It appears to be a growing problem, horse riders first, then motorcyclists (the van I'm actually less bothered about, as there are unlikely to be a proliferation of bellends in vans similar to the one in the OP). It caught on in horse riding circles, it now appears to be catching on among the hordes of retired 'born again' bikers that wobble along the roads round here (Dales) every summer.

It's a problem which has grown over the years owing to the exponential increase in car ownership coupled with the fact that relatively few instructors have the opportunity to teach/demonstrate the correct procedure when passing horses. The 'horses shouldn't be allowed on the road' attitude is a nonsense. It is often necessary to use country lanes/roads to get between stables and fields/bridleways.

I learned to drive over 50 years ago (when car ownership was far less widespread) plus I lived in the depths of the countryside. My instructor taught me the correct procedure which has stayed with me ever since. It is rare that I don't get a nod or wave of thanks from horse riders. The ones that don't acknowledge are as ignorant as the drivers that don't/won't slow down (or stop if necessary).

The 'fake policeman' livery was/is a (misguided imo) attempt to deal with a real problem which wouldn't exist if so many drivers were not so impatient.

[Devil2575]

Red Devil said:

It's a problem which has grown over the years owing to the exponential increase in car ownership coupled with the fact that relatively few instructors have the opportunity to teach/demonstrate the correct procedure when passing horses. The 'horses shouldn't be allowed on the road' attitude is a nonsense. It is often necessary to use country lanes/roads to get between stables and fields/bridleways.

I learned to drive over 50 years ago (when car ownership was far less widespread) plus I lived in the depths of the countryside. My instructor taught me the correct procedure which has stayed with me ever since. It is rare that I don't get a nod or wave of thanks from horse riders. The ones that don't acknowledge are as ignorant as the drivers that don't/won't slow down (or stop if necessary).

The 'fake policeman' livery was/is a (misguided imo) attempt to deal with a real problem which wouldn't exist if so many drivers were not so impatient.

I am in complete agreement.

[Mark Benson]

Devil2575 said:

Red Devil said:

It's a problem which has grown over the years owing to the exponential increase in car ownership coupled with the fact that relatively few instructors have the opportunity to teach/demonstrate the correct procedure when passing horses. The 'horses shouldn't be allowed on the road' attitude is a nonsense. It is often necessary to use country lanes/roads to get between stables and fields/bridleways.

I learned to drive over 50 years ago (when car ownership was far less widespread) plus I lived in the depths of the countryside. My instructor taught me the correct procedure which has stayed with me ever since. It is rare that I don't get a nod or wave of thanks from horse riders. The ones that don't acknowledge are as ignorant as the drivers that don't/won't slow down (or stop if necessary).

The 'fake policeman' livery was/is a (misguided imo) attempt to deal with a real problem which wouldn't exist if so many drivers were not so impatient.

I am in complete agreement.

As am I, but where we disagree is the ad-hoc adoption of a 'solution' and the implications of other groups following suit.

[Red 4]

Cat said:

Red 4 said:

2. You'd be amazed by the number of people who cannot see police vehicles (even when lit-up like a Christmas tree).

Just a thought, but have you tried lighting them up like a police vehicle instead of using fairy lights?

Cat

Yes, but the Klingon cloaking device has a mind of its own.

[bltamil1]

I have seen a couple of vans around that actually have "POLICE" in big letters on the side, including the crest and Battenberg etc, and then much smaller text above that says "Working with the".

I always thought that the crime of impersonating a Police Officer was about attempting to pass yourself off as one, rather than necessarily looking EXCATLY like one. I can't see how running round in vans like that can be anything other than impersonating a Police Officer.

I can't find any pictures on the Google though, so maybe I imagined it!

[mrmr96]

MacW said:

supertouring said:

Adz The Rat said:

Slobberchops said:

Chorley Street Motors?

its clearly not trying to be a police van, its just an advertisement.

If the company was called "Polite" then maybe, but this is overtly trying to mimic a police vehicle.

Exactly, please explain to the class what part the 'POLITE' script has in the advertising.

How about the fact that I now know the name "Chorley Street Motors" despite never having seen the van in real life??

[LoonR1]

mrmr96 said:

How about the fact that I now know the name "Chorley Street Motors" despite never having seen the van in real life??

I had heard of them, albeit when owned by someone else amd will now make a point of not using them.

[Martin_M]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...

[mph1977]

[quote=Kaelic]What I would like to see is this:

Emergency vehicles that do look completely different to any other vehicle on the fecking road, so I can at a glance see it in my rear view mirror and start considering pulling over or getting out of its way. Or at least be aware of its presence if needs be.

[/quote}

oteher than few over enthusiastic recovery operators and a selection of W.mitties very fewer none Emergency services / Statutory Enforcement vehicles use emergency services alike liveries .

looking in your mirror obvious doesn't include chapter 8 compliant rear marking which as strong scientific basis and changing it would be a complete own own goal given the casualty and fatality figures of people who work at the roadside be ther emergency services, enforcement, infrastructure support of who ever ...

hear in lays the support for the unobservant angle

no legitmate user of chapter 8 rear markings misleads other road users aobut the purpose of use of their vehicles ., if people are sufficiently unobservant to distinguish fairly large and clear text anmd branding then it;s DWDCA / specsavers time ....