CATS

[Grumpy old git]

Jonleeper said:

The trouble is that there are some cat owners who don't believe that. They believe that your dog chasing their cat in your back garden is an offence and will react accordingly. Try explaining to the local RSPCA inspector that I will not be preventing my dog from roaming free in my enclosed garden just because one of my neighbours cats seems to think he owns it and they don't like the fact that she got very close to catching it last time. I got a warning and told that the inspector would be back round to check I wasn't allowing my dog to harass cats even in my own backgarden otherwise they would be prosecuting me!

I have an elderly cat, and I have no problem with someone allowing their dog to harmlessly chase it out of their garden. I'd have a big problem with someone encouraging their dog to actively attack the cat, that's an entirely different proposition.

[Grumpy old git]

Jonleeper said:

The trouble is that there are some cat owners who don't believe that. They believe that your dog chasing their cat in your back garden is an offence and will react accordingly. Try explaining to the local RSPCA inspector that I will not be preventing my dog from roaming free in my enclosed garden just because one of my neighbours cats seems to think he owns it and they don't like the fact that she got very close to catching it last time. I got a warning and told that the inspector would be back round to check I wasn't allowing my dog to harass cats even in my own backgarden otherwise they would be prosecuting me!

I have an elderly cat, and I have no problem with someone allowing their dog to harmlessly chase it out of their garden. I'd have a big problem with someone encouraging their dog to actively attack the cat, that's an entirely different proposition.

[Devil2575]

Jonleeper said:

The trouble is that there are some cat owners who don't believe that. They believe that your dog chasing their cat in your back garden is an offence and will react accordingly. Try explaining to the local RSPCA inspector that I will not be preventing my dog from roaming free in my enclosed garden just because one of my neighbours cats seems to think he owns it and they don't like the fact that she got very close to catching it last time. I got a warning and told that the inspector would be back round to check I wasn't allowing my dog to harass cats even in my own backgarden otherwise they would be prosecuting me!

Did you really?

So your dog is allowed in your back garden unsupervised and if a cat comes in it is likely to chase it. And under these circumstances an RAC inspector warned you that you could be prosecuted?
Call be a skeptic but I suspect there is a little bit more to it than this.

[Jobbo]

blueg33 said:

I dont get this lion poo business as a deterrent, it defies logic

problem - I have some small poos from a 5kg cat in my garden
solution - I will fill my garden with huge poos from a 90kg cat

I too fail to see the logic. It's not actual lion poo, by the way - it comes as sort of aerated pellets which apparently smell of lion poo. Didn't work and was quite expensive, so I'm not going to bother again.

There's some sort of territorial battle on my front lawn between the neighbourhood cats, including my own. However, picking up a few cat poos before mowing is more pleasant than emptying his litter every day, so I just put up with it.

[blueg33]

If my cats are dumb enough to go into a garden with a dog then that's their lookout, likewaise if next doors dog is dumb enough to corner one of my cats then that's its lookout.

But I would take a dim view of someone encouraging their dog to attack a cat

(I was going to say and vice versa, but its impossible to encourage cats to do anything, they just make their own mind up)

[9mm]

Devil2575 said:

9mm said:

Devil2575 said:

9mm said:

The perfect pet for irresponsible, selfish owners.

What a stupid comment, but then that's not really out of charachter for you is it...

I'll let the myriad threads on the subject illustrate cat owners' selfishness and irresponsibility.

I'll also leave the insults to the stupid people as I can't really compete at that level.

The miriad of threads?

Do you think a few threads on a car related forum are proof of anything? Enough to stereotype everyone who owns a cat?
I'd suggest that threads on PH are more a relfection of the kind of people who post on PH rather than anything else.

WRT insults, you might want to consider whether or not your original comment could be viewed as an insult...

I think the hundreds of threads I've read on many forums over the years are totally in line with what you find when you speak to cat owners. Their attitude can be broadly summarised as "it's what cats do, live with it". It's a popular stance, you can call it stereotyping if you wish, but it doesn't alter the facts. This thread has already provided examples of the thinking I'm talking about.

I have considered it. It wasn't.

Edited by 9mm on Tuesday 16th September 18:45

[9mm]

Negative Creep said:

Devil2575 said:

9mm said:

Devil2575 said:

9mm said:

The perfect pet for irresponsible, selfish owners.

What a stupid comment, but then that's not really out of charachter for you is it...

I'll let the myriad threads on the subject illustrate cat owners' selfishness and irresponsibility.

I'll also leave the insults to the stupid people as I can't really compete at that level.

The miriad of threads?

Do you think a few threads on a car related forum are proof of anything? Enough to stereotype everyone who owns a cat?
I'd suggest that threads on PH are more a relfection of the kind of people who post on PH rather than anything else.

WRT insults, you might want to consider whether or not your original comment could be viewed as an insult...

His post has annoyed me to the extent that I need to add a bit of background:

I got my then 13 year old cat from a rescue home a few years ago. He's one of the sweetest, most affectionate animals you could ever wish to meet and instantly became an intrinsic part of the household. During the time I've had him he's spent about 6 hours outside, hacing little interest in being anywhere aside from my bed or lap and his trail of death and destruction amongst the local wildlife has amounted to one moth. He's also neutered, chipped, wears a collar and is fully up to date with all vaccinations.

So come on then 9mm, please explain how any of my actions have been selfish and irresponsible? I'm dying to hear it

Ahh, the feline equivalent of the elderly dog that has spent one third of its life in dog training abnd agility classes, a third working as a bomb disposal dog and a third licking its balls. Never chased a kid, barked at nothing and annoyed anyone or even shredded the post. A canine saint if you will. Good for you. Your cat is not representative of most cats any more than you are representative of most cat owners. I'd suggest a more typical cat owner turfs the cat out of most of the day and night, hasn't had it chipped or neutered and has complete disregard for what their pet does when it roams. Or pick any three from the four. That's what I call selfish and irresponsible.

[sim72]

"Foxes can't climb a 7ft wall"? You might want to think that one through again - we've had a fox on the roof of our conservatory.

Someone poisoned one of our cats with anti freeze a few years back. It was bloody horrible (and deliberate - it wasn't cold at the time). They're very lucky I didn't fins out who they were as they'd still be walking with sticks now.

Meanwhile, there are plenty of cheap ways to deter cats from your garden - a quick Google will sort you out.

[pinchmeimdreamin]

[Negative Creep]

9mm said:

Negative Creep said:

Devil2575 said:

9mm said:

Devil2575 said:

9mm said:

The perfect pet for irresponsible, selfish owners.

What a stupid comment, but then that's not really out of charachter for you is it...

I'll let the myriad threads on the subject illustrate cat owners' selfishness and irresponsibility.

I'll also leave the insults to the stupid people as I can't really compete at that level.

The miriad of threads?

Do you think a few threads on a car related forum are proof of anything? Enough to stereotype everyone who owns a cat?
I'd suggest that threads on PH are more a relfection of the kind of people who post on PH rather than anything else.

WRT insults, you might want to consider whether or not your original comment could be viewed as an insult...

His post has annoyed me to the extent that I need to add a bit of background:

I got my then 13 year old cat from a rescue home a few years ago. He's one of the sweetest, most affectionate animals you could ever wish to meet and instantly became an intrinsic part of the household. During the time I've had him he's spent about 6 hours outside, hacing little interest in being anywhere aside from my bed or lap and his trail of death and destruction amongst the local wildlife has amounted to one moth. He's also neutered, chipped, wears a collar and is fully up to date with all vaccinations.

So come on then 9mm, please explain how any of my actions have been selfish and irresponsible? I'm dying to hear it

Ahh, the feline equivalent of the elderly dog that has spent one third of its life in dog training abnd agility classes, a third working as a bomb disposal dog and a third licking its balls. Never chased a kid, barked at nothing and annoyed anyone or even shredded the post. A canine saint if you will. Good for you. Your cat is not representative of most cats any more than you are representative of most cat owners. I'd suggest a more typical cat owner turfs the cat out of most of the day and night, hasn't had it chipped or neutered and has complete disregard for what their pet does when it roams. Or pick any three from the four. That's what I call selfish and irresponsible.

No, a minority of cat owners don't care about their pets, just as a minority don't care what happens to their dogs, rabbits, fish or children. I don't know what threads you've been reading but it's obvious that countless PH'ers love their cats, and this site's demographic doesn't even fit with that of a typical cat lover. I'd also suggest the amount of money given to animal charities and shelters or the outrage when a video of one being harmed appears shows that people in the UK do care about them. If someone doesn't give a toss about their cat then chances are it will find someone else to feed it anyway, and it is far more selfish to neglect a dog as they can cause far more damage and injury to people and animals.

[9mm]

Negative Creep said:

9mm said:

Negative Creep said:

Devil2575 said:

9mm said:

Devil2575 said:

9mm said:

The perfect pet for irresponsible, selfish owners.

What a stupid comment, but then that's not really out of charachter for you is it...

I'll let the myriad threads on the subject illustrate cat owners' selfishness and irresponsibility.

I'll also leave the insults to the stupid people as I can't really compete at that level.

The miriad of threads?

Do you think a few threads on a car related forum are proof of anything? Enough to stereotype everyone who owns a cat?
I'd suggest that threads on PH are more a relfection of the kind of people who post on PH rather than anything else.

WRT insults, you might want to consider whether or not your original comment could be viewed as an insult...

His post has annoyed me to the extent that I need to add a bit of background:

I got my then 13 year old cat from a rescue home a few years ago. He's one of the sweetest, most affectionate animals you could ever wish to meet and instantly became an intrinsic part of the household. During the time I've had him he's spent about 6 hours outside, hacing little interest in being anywhere aside from my bed or lap and his trail of death and destruction amongst the local wildlife has amounted to one moth. He's also neutered, chipped, wears a collar and is fully up to date with all vaccinations.

So come on then 9mm, please explain how any of my actions have been selfish and irresponsible? I'm dying to hear it

Ahh, the feline equivalent of the elderly dog that has spent one third of its life in dog training abnd agility classes, a third working as a bomb disposal dog and a third licking its balls. Never chased a kid, barked at nothing and annoyed anyone or even shredded the post. A canine saint if you will. Good for you. Your cat is not representative of most cats any more than you are representative of most cat owners. I'd suggest a more typical cat owner turfs the cat out of most of the day and night, hasn't had it chipped or neutered and has complete disregard for what their pet does when it roams. Or pick any three from the four. That's what I call selfish and irresponsible.

No, a minority of cat owners don't care about their pets, just as a minority don't care what happens to their dogs, rabbits, fish or children. I don't know what threads you've been reading but it's obvious that countless PH'ers love their cats, and this site's demographic doesn't even fit with that of a typical cat lover. I'd also suggest the amount of money given to animal charities and shelters or the outrage when a video of one being harmed appears shows that people in the UK do care about them. If someone doesn't give a toss about their cat then chances are it will find someone else to feed it anyway, and it is far more selfish to neglect a dog as they can cause far more damage and injury to people and animals.

I don't dispute many if not most cat owners care for their pets. What they don't care about is what their cat does when it's out of their sight.

[pinchmeimdreamin]

9mm said:

I don't dispute many if not most cat owners care for their pets. What they don't care about is what their cat does when it's out of their sight.

Serious question, What wold yo have us do ?

[9mm]

pinchmeimdreamin said:

9mm said:

I don't dispute many if not most cat owners care for their pets. What they don't care about is what their cat does when it's out of their sight.

Serious question, What wold yo have us do ?

I'd prefer you chose a pet that doesn't have such an impact on other people, their property and wildlife. Guinea pig, rabbit, boa constrictor, budgie? Serious answer, if you were about to launch some new pet onto the market, let's call it a gremlin, and when asked what it would do, the answer included crap where it likes, decimate wildlife, dig over gardens, etc, etc, I can't believe there'd be much hope of getting official sanction. I'd be embarrassed to own a pet that did those things.

[pinchmeimdreamin]

9mm said:

I'd prefer you chose a pet that doesn't have such an impact on other people, their property and wildlife. Guinea pig, rabbit, boa constrictor, budgie? Serious answer, if you were about to launch some new pet onto the market, let's call it a gremlin, and when asked what it would do, the answer included crap where it likes, decimate wildlife, dig over gardens, etc, etc, I can't believe there'd be much hope of getting official sanction. I'd be embarrassed to own a pet that did those things.

So you would like to see Cats and dogs banned then ?

Cat's do no decimate wildlife any more so than spiders kill flies, or birds eat insects, yes they will toilet in peoples gardens (90% will cover it ).

How many people have been killed in cat attacks ?

How many people have been hospitalized/scarred by Cats?

[Negative Creep]

9mm said:

pinchmeimdreamin said:

9mm said:

I don't dispute many if not most cat owners care for their pets. What they don't care about is what their cat does when it's out of their sight.

Serious question, What wold yo have us do ?

I'd prefer you chose a pet that doesn't have such an impact on other people, their property and wildlife. Guinea pig, rabbit, boa constrictor, budgie? Serious answer, if you were about to launch some new pet onto the market, let's call it a gremlin, and when asked what it would do, the answer included crap where it likes, decimate wildlife, dig over gardens, etc, etc, I can't believe there'd be much hope of getting official sanction. I'd be embarrassed to own a pet that did those things.

And just how many injuries, deaths and destruction do dogs cause every year?

[9mm]

Negative Creep said:

9mm said:

pinchmeimdreamin said:

9mm said:

I don't dispute many if not most cat owners care for their pets. What they don't care about is what their cat does when it's out of their sight.

Serious question, What wold yo have us do ?

I'd prefer you chose a pet that doesn't have such an impact on other people, their property and wildlife. Guinea pig, rabbit, boa constrictor, budgie? Serious answer, if you were about to launch some new pet onto the market, let's call it a gremlin, and when asked what it would do, the answer included crap where it likes, decimate wildlife, dig over gardens, etc, etc, I can't believe there'd be much hope of getting official sanction. I'd be embarrassed to own a pet that did those things.

And just how many injuries, deaths and destruction do dogs cause every year?

I have no idea but I do know that there are laws associated with dog ownership and therefore sanctions that can be applied when their owners allow their pets to negatively impact on other people, from crapping to biting to making a racket.

[9mm]

pinchmeimdreamin said:

9mm said:

I'd prefer you chose a pet that doesn't have such an impact on other people, their property and wildlife. Guinea pig, rabbit, boa constrictor, budgie? Serious answer, if you were about to launch some new pet onto the market, let's call it a gremlin, and when asked what it would do, the answer included crap where it likes, decimate wildlife, dig over gardens, etc, etc, I can't believe there'd be much hope of getting official sanction. I'd be embarrassed to own a pet that did those things.

So you would like to see Cats and dogs banned then ?

Cat's do no decimate wildlife any more so than spiders kill flies, or birds eat insects, yes they will toilet in peoples gardens (90% will cover it ).

How many people have been killed in cat attacks ?

How many people have been hospitalized/scarred by Cats?

This thread is about cats not dogs but I'm favour of responsible ownership, whatever the species. The problem with cats is that they cannot be controlled (I accept a tiny minority of owners keep them indoors) and therefore there can't be responsible ownership. If they can't be controlled then some of their more unpleasant traits are going to impact on people other than the owner and that leads me to consider cat ownership (in the main) to be selfish and irresponsible.

[pinchmeimdreamin]

9mm said:

This thread is about cats not dogs but I'm favour of responsible ownership, whatever the species. The problem with cats is that they cannot be controlled (I accept a tiny minority of owners keep them indoors) and therefore there can't be responsible ownership. If they can't be controlled then some of their more unpleasant traits are going to impact on people other than the owner and that leads me to consider cat ownership (in the main) to be selfish and irresponsible.

So you think keeping a cat indoors is the answer?

So I suppose all teenagers should be kept inside as well as a small percentage of them cause alot more trouble than cats ever will.

You may well have had Problems with Cats in the past (if so then I feel sorry for you) however I have grown up having cats in the family and in the neighbourhood and have never had any issues that involved more 10 seconds with a bag to scoop an errant poop in.


That is the worst a cat is going to do.

[9mm]

pinchmeimdreamin said:

9mm said:

This thread is about cats not dogs but I'm favour of responsible ownership, whatever the species. The problem with cats is that they cannot be controlled (I accept a tiny minority of owners keep them indoors) and therefore there can't be responsible ownership. If they can't be controlled then some of their more unpleasant traits are going to impact on people other than the owner and that leads me to consider cat ownership (in the main) to be selfish and irresponsible.

So you think keeping a cat indoors is the answer?

So I suppose all teenagers should be kept inside as well as a small percentage of them cause alot more trouble than cats ever will.

You may well have had Problems with Cats in the past (if so then I feel sorry for you) however I have grown up having cats in the family and in the neighbourhood and have never had any issues that involved more 10 seconds with a bag to scoop an errant poop in.


That is the worst a cat is going to do.

Teenagers are like dogs, subject to sanctions if they misbehave, and they are indeed kept locked inside if their misdemeanours are serious. Dogs are destroyed. Do you see the difference, cat owners have a pet that everyone else just has to put up with?

[pinchmeimdreamin]

9mm said:

Teenagers are like dogs, subject to sanctions if they misbehave, and they are indeed kept locked inside if their misdemeanours are serious. Dogs are destroyed. Do you see the difference, cat owners have a pet that everyone else just has to put up with?

But as has been said ( and not answered ) what exactly does a cat do that equates to a fraction of what dogs/teenagers do?

And requires Such drastic measures as confining Cats to lives indoors ( which IMHO is not in the cats best interests)